Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00105)

Cass,


Thanks for your views. 

These events have been narrated by reliable sources.  

They must be treated and approached in a proper way and not from 
the viewpoint of slanderers like Soloviof, nor outside their historical
context.

Before looking at Judge's action in Adyar, which was good, we should
have a clear vision of the amount of conflict and treason existing there.

We would have to see what happened to Damodar and why, what happened to Subba Row and why, what happened to HPB and why, and so on.

Taking facts out of their context and looking at them based on liars is Daniel's specialty -- is his priority, though. It is his way to make inuendos about non-existing things. 

Pseudo-information, used  out of context,  is just slandering in disguise. I am trying to understand what can be Daniel's motives,  since I do not think likely that he is a conscious Jesuit.   

Again, one needs to examine things from legitimate sources.  This is no hagiography.  Enemies may be good sources of facts.  There is a difference between liars and enemies.  Enemies may be loyal to truth. And "friends" may lie. 

Please consider Daniel, P. Johnson, Katiknka Hesserlink and John Algeo are  astute enough never to say Soloviof or the Coulombs are legitimate sources
of historical information.   

As Bruce Macdonald said here a few days ago, these people do NOT  aim at demonstrating that the lies and slanders are true. They know they can't.  

They just aim at keeping the lies circulating... 

I hope that helps. 

Best regards,   Carlos.  


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Data:Wed, 3 May 2006 17:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Daniel - Soloviof?

> Did Judge go to Adyar as is claimed? Was this after HPB abandoned Adyar?
> Was HPB excommunicated from Paris TS? If the answer to all the above is YES then it is our duty to question.
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> If it were true that Judge turned away, there is still no discounting the amount of good that he obviously performed prior to changing sides. It must be a great temptation to know that you hold the keys and to reject, at the same time, any clamourings for earthly fame and recognition that these keys would bring by setting you apart from the minions who know not nothing. 
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> HPB showed no spiritual pride or arrogance, in fact, if the below quote is accurate, shows great disappointment that yet another "star pupil" had failed by replacing humility with pride.???
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> Cass
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> danielhcaldwell wrote: Carlos,
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> So let me try to get this straight.
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> I quote again from the letter:
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> "[Franz Hartmann]...has turned our devoted [William Q.]
> Judge, when [Judge was] despatched [in 1884] by Olcott from Paris to
> Adyar, into our enemy." Quoted from V.S. Solovyoff's A MODERN
> PRIESTESS OF ISIS, p. 125.
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> I ask you point blank:
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> (1) Do you think HPB could have written what is said
> in this letter about Judge?
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> (2) Is this text genuine HPB or a forgery? 
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> (3) Is this entire letter a forgery?
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> (4) SHOULD THIS LETTER [alleged letter of HPB to Solovyoff dated May 
> 23, 1885] BE INCLUDED IN A FUTURE VOLUME OF "THE COLLECTED 
> LETTERS OF H.P. BLAVATSKY"?
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> I await your answers.
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> Daniel
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
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> > Daniel,
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> > Still obsessed about Soloviof? 
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> > Why should anyone except a slanderer consider Soloviof a
> > legitimate source of historical information?
> > 
> > As to F. Hartmann, getting it from other sources -- it is clear he
> > had his ups and downs -- strong ones.
> > 
> > But -- why using Soloviof as a source if you are not a slanderer?
> > 
> > With hope you will be able to have respect for Truth and the Facts,
> > 
> > Carlos. 
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> > Data:Wed, 03 May 2006 17:46:50 -0000
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> > Assunto:Theos-World HPB : "[Hartmann]...has turned our devoted 
> Judge...into our enemy...."
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> > > HPB : "[Hartmann]...has turned our devoted Judge...into our 
> > > enemy...." 
> > > 
> > > Could HPB have actually written in a letter
> > > of May 23, 1885 to V.S. Solovyoff the following:
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> > > "[Franz Hartmann]...has turned our devoted [William Q.]
> > > Judge, when [Judge was] despatched [in 1884] by Olcott from 
> Paris to
> > > Adyar, into our enemy." Quoted from V.S. Solovyoff's A MODERN
> > > PRIESTESS OF ISIS, p. 125.
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> > > ??????????????
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> > > Is this text genuine HPB or a forgery? Is this entire letter a
> > > forgery?
> > > 
> > > SHOULD THIS LETTER BE INCLUDED IN A FUTURE VOLUME OF "THE 
> COLLECTED 
> > > LETTERS OF H.P. BLAVATSKY"?
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> > > Daniel
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