Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00100)

Ken,

Now this is a great quote and it really makes sense, because vipassana 
(and soto) disciplines begin with getting in touch with one's senses 
while any kind of agitation draws one away from them and into the 
imagination.  As I previously mentioned, people who reported visions of  
talking Masters (or guardian angels) also say that they were in a state 
of agitation or despair. 
I suspect that something of this nature was also going on with CWL--that 
his visions were created by some kind of wish fulfilling directive 
coming from himself. Notice that his Masters live according to and 
reflect the values of a nineteenth century British monarchist. Most 
interesting were the Master's instructions concerning Krishnamurti's 
training--that K should part his hair in the middle and that he should 
be taught to eat with forks and spoons like "civilized" people.  
Regarding the SD, HPB warned about over intellectualizing the 
teachings--that they were meant to be taken with a dose of metaphor.  It 
seems that some of the most serious confusion comes from ignoring this 
advice.

It just goes to show that any state that draws away from the Buddha 
nature just leads to another dark passageway inhabited by denizens 
native to them.   
Best
Jerry





dorjebeto@hotmail.com wrote:

> Jerry -
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> the following quote from HPB adds insight and direction to the 'Visions'.
> problem. She clearly links up in her own inner process her visionary
> capacity with 'the pure reason'. In Buddhist terms she is exercising a
> state of advanced 'higher insight' or Vipasana, which is always linked in
> process with Shamatha or 'absorbtion'  states. A current Tibetan teacher,
> Thrangu Rinpoche, who is both a great scholar and practicioner, stated once
> that all of Buddhist teachings are either Shamatha or Vipasana
> derived....... It would be a great (and not easy) exercise to look at the
> Secret Doctrine this way....AND clearly HPB's statement below give us the
> same insight:
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> "Knowledge came in visions, first in dreams, then in pictures presented to
> the inner eye during meditation. This have I been taught the whole system
> of evolution, the laws of beng and all else that I know, the mysteries of
> life and death and working of karma. Not a word was spoken to me of all
> this in the ordinary way, except perhaps, by way of confirmation of what
> was thus given me, nothing taught me in writing. And the knowledge so
> obtained is so dear, so convincing, so indelible in the impression it makes
> upon the mind, that all other sources of information, all other methods of
> teaching  with which we are familiar dwindle into insignificance in
> comparison with this. One of the reasons why I hesitate to answer off hand
> some questions put to me is the difficulty of expressing in sufficinetly
> accurate language things given me in pictures and comprehended by the pure
> reason as Kant would call it."  BCW 13 p. 285
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> A couple of years ago a visiting Tibetan Lama was both amused and perplexed
> with his mostly Vietnamese students often experiencing the 'Deities' in
> Vajrayana used as a meditational object e.g. Buddha, Maitreya, Tara, etc.
> would sometimes TALK back to the student and move etc. The Lama found it
> odd and somewhat amusing and politely told them they were not meditating
> properly and that the 'Deities' were not speaking to them ! -- a product of
> increased prana in the energy channels and unstable mental focus. In
> Theosophical writing there is also E.L.Gardners pamphlet "There is No
> Religion Higher than Truth" where he attributes Leadbeaters psychic visions
> to 'unconscious kriyashakti'. A rather kind statement, but describes the
> same imbalance.
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> Ken
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