Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00821)

Dear Friends, Frank,

The tradition of  "private circulation of texts", of  inner or esoteric teachings, dates from ancient India, Greece, Egypt.  And appears in the NT, when Jesus subscribes such a policy.

It has a very simple purpose: to work with people who are willing to take the teachings  seriously -- as the material can only be useful to those who will TRY to apply it in their lives. 

In this,  Theosophy coincides with William James' philosophy,  "Pragmatism". 

Ideas make sense inasmuch they enhance life and preserve the autonomy of living beings.  

So the practical purpose of a school, be it exoteric or otherwise, is to give people elements to change their lives for the better -- without extracting blind obedience vows as the ones A. Besant's school and her Liberal Catholic Church did.   

In AB's E.S., in 1912, the vow taken by members included faith in the Second Coming of the Christ.... through Krishnamurti.  This is the "eye doctrine".

The commitment made at lower levels of consciousness becomes a prisoner of words and -- of  outer "authority". 

Carlos. 





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Data:Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:39:36 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander??

> Daniel, I do not think that HPB meant that her 
> esoteric information should be held private up to 
> the end of the seventh round.
> Withholding of esoteric information is only meant 
> for a certain period of time, when the general 
> mankind has developed a little bit to understand 
> it.
> 
> One period of time was over in 1897. It is not 
> impossible that Annie Besant was right to publish 
> some of the E.S. information.
> Another question would be if she did it well, 
> including "correct" true information in the vol. 
> III if compared with the "Wurzburg" manuscript 
> (which I personally believe not)
> And we have not the original manuscript (except 
> the Wurzburg parts), the bulk of it which AB, 
> according to Boris de Zirkoff, has had in her 
> hands and went with it to an unknown place.
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> Perhaps in that connection it might be of interest 
> that the German branch which HPB founded here was 
> named TS Germania (and not TS Germany).
> The Germania is the goddess which protects Germany 
> and stands for her unity (which the Jesuits try to 
> destroy, as HPB writes elsewhere, as the SJ were 
> founded with the goal to dissiptae her, which they 
> did in two 30 years wars (resulting in the 
> so-called "peace treaties" of Westfalia and of 
> Versailles and its dissipations).
> From all bombed towns during WWII Wurzburg was 
> relatively the most destroyed city: 96 per cent of 
> Wurzburg's houses were destroyed.
> The German army signed the surrender on White 
> Lotus Day, May 8th, the day of HPB's death. It was 
> also the death of Germany and was dissipated anew.
> 
> We are not able to decide whether Besant was right 
> or wrong so long as we do not have and understand 
> the esoteric rules if and when which document or 
> information can or must be published.
> Reading the introduction of the late W. Emmett 
> Small of von Purucker's E.S. Instructions, one can 
> asume that such rules exists in the inner world.
> 
> The Buddha was accused of having make public the 
> esoteric doctrines of the Brahmans, also Jesus was 
> accused of making public the esoteric doctrines of 
> the Essenes. Also Katherine Tingley was accused, 
> when she gave out information of the Lodge's work 
> over messengers coming from Shamballa (rejected by 
> the ULT as Crosbie accepted only HPB and WQJ as 
> messengers).
> Also von Purucker was accused, when in 1929 he 
> began to give his pupils new esoteric tenets, 
> which certainly HPB also knew (as the doctrine of 
> the inner and outer rounds, etc., rejected by the 
> ULT).
> Frank
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "danielhcaldwell" 
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> Subject: Theos-World What is sauce for the goose 
> is sauce for the gander??
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> What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the 
> gander??
> 
> When I publicly posted some extracts from one of 
> HPB's Esoteric
> Instructions, you wrote me that you strongly 
> protested my posting of
> these HPB quotations from an "esoteric" or 
> "private" document.
> 
> You also suggested that such "posting" did an 
> "injustice" to the
> Mahatmas.
> 
> Therefore I assume that if other writers besides 
> me did something
> similar that you would ALSO object if not 
> "protest" to a quoting of
> this esoteric material, right?
> 
> If your answer is yes, then I call your attention 
> to the following:
> 
> Read more at:
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/sauceforthegoose.htm
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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