Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00811)

Friends and Bruce,


I basically agree with Bruce (see below).

Theosophy is a form of Science, and  keeping false accusations alive is lilke keeping alive the idea that the Earth is flat and is t he center of the Universe.

We now know that the Earth is basically round, and also that the slanders against HPB were slanders.  The Coulombs wanted money and got it, not from the Theosophists, but from Christian Missionaries.  Soloviof wanted notoriety and got it.  No need for us to stick to the same lies for centuries in and centuries out. 

By allowing those lies to be repeated WITHIN the movement (and perhaps Freud will explain WHY the movement leadership allowed that to happen) we came to the point of that recent letter by Katinka Hesserlink, in FOHAT, saying "HPB may have faked a few phenomena".  Says who?  Says Soloviof, and Katinka ust repeats the slander as an automaton.

That is probably why the Old Lady called "idiots" those who slandered her. 

Mental laziness IS a problem.  As also blind obedience is. 


Best regards,   Carlos. 


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Data:Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:24:54 -0600

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Let the reader decide for himself

> 
> What is it that damages the reputation of HPB more than anything else? Is 
> it the periodical negative biographies put out by Meade, Bechofer-Roberts, 
> or Washington? No, these can always be shown to be unbalanced distortions 
> of the actual facts. Theosophists can deal with these kinds of attacks. 
> What is problematic is the allegations themselves. The enemies of Blavatsky 
> would no doubt destroy the arguments of these inadequate biographies on the 
> one hand, and then declare that in all fairness the allegations that 
> prompted the biographies to begin with have still not been dealt with 
> adequately by theosophists. The enemies do not need to prove anything, they 
> need only keep the allegations alive. Theosophists, being fair-minded 
> individuals, will in many cases admit that it is only fair that the 
> allegations be kept alive. After all, theosophists have nothing to hide.
> 
> This is a trap. Allegations by their very nature can never be 100% proved 
> or disproved. If HPB says one thing and her enemies say another, who is 
> telling the truth? In a court of law you look for internal inconsistencies 
> within the various stories and inconsistencies with other known facts. You 
> also look at the credibility of the witnesses. You come to believe more in 
> one story than the other when all the facts are put before you. That is not 
> to say that if new information comes to light you might not change your mind 
> completely because very often it is difficult to judge these sorts of 
> issues. It is therefore incumbent upon the person putting forward the 
> allegations to have a much stronger case if in the end we are going to 
> accept that case.
> 
> For HPB we seem to use a different standard. It is up to the defenders of 
> HPB to prove the allegations to be false. Despite the fact that internal 
> inconsistencies have been identified, especially between the stories as put 
> forward by the Coulombs and Solovyoff, and despite the fact that the 
> Coulombs and Solovyoff have been shown to be wanting as far as their 
> character is concerned, theosophists allow their enemies to hold to the 
> argument that in truth and fairness, we cannot take Blavatsky's word 
> concerning herself, over the words of these profligates.
> 
> Putting forward a mixture of facts (whether it be uncontested letters, or 
> corroborated stories, etc.) with allegations ("I claim HPB wrote or did 
> this...") is disingenuous, especially if HPB then denies the latter. Who 
> else do we do this to? If you are going to make allegations, you had better 
> be ready to prove them. For this reason I find it difficult to see any 
> difference between Solovyoff making an allegation and someone else then 
> repeating the allegation today. My first thought is: "Okay, if you want to 
> use that allegation, prove it!" If you claim not to believe the allegation, 
> you had better be ready to thoroughly debunk the allegation, otherwise, why 
> keep it alive? Allegations are brought forward to be proven or disproven. 
> It is disingenuous manipulation to present them with the argument that the 
> readers should decide for themselves. Decide between what? Facts and 
> allegations? No contest, get the allegations out of my face, I am not 
> interested, especially if you are too lazy to try and prove them or have 
> some other disingenuous motive for once again repeating them. If you repeat 
> them out of ignorance then consider yourself told. Repeating unfounded 
> allegations is not a moral thing to do.
> 
> Bruce
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