Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00667)

Dear Friends,

Heart vows are beyond mere words. This is so because things are not always what they seem in the spiritual path. 

As Daniel seems to have no experience with spiritual vows, he appears to be rather limited to words --  see below his recurrent text. 

Perhaps  Daniel will some day understand that real vows, although they may be made using outer words, are subject to the constant examination and re-examination of one's own HEART and CONSCIENCE. 

Someone could, and should, have told him about that. Sometimes, excessive secrecy backfires and creates unnecessary criticism from people who do not have the actual experience of things. 

The matter of the fact is that --- all kinds of daily tests try to freeze our commitments in life, whatever they are. 

It is our heart and our loyalty to the spirit, not to form of our intentions, which make us update our life commitments -- sometimes in radical ways -- in order to remain LOYAL TO OURSELVES. Loyalty to Masters can only be a by-product, so to say, of loyalty to ourselves, which is the main stuff. Discipleship, lay or otherwise, can only operate THROUGH the AUTONOMY of the learner. 

Having no experience with the heart of the movement, Daniel thinks vows are controlled by their dead letter. This is so only in Vatican-inspired circles, with their blind obedience vows, etc. 

The true VOW is wordless. 

One could say it has an analogical connection with Plotinus' hypostasis (in Neoplatonism). 

The substance in itself of a COMMITMENT TO HIGHER LIFE is not a thing of the left brain, which works with words. Only in its secondary and terciary hypostasis or levels of reality a true VOW or COMMITMENT TO LIFE UNIVERSAL can be expressed in words. Words change, the commitment is much more than one-life long. 

Therefore, as we see in the "Mahatma Letters" many a lay disciple never heard of HPB or the Masters, etc. Words are not facts, and facts can exist -- wordless!!

Thanks to Daniel Caldwell for the opportunity to explain the difference between Vatican-inspired, blind-obedience vows and true, living vows to one's own higher self. 

Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 


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Assunto:Theos-World using private texts privately is one thing??????

> Carlos wrote:
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> "....using private texts privately is one thing. 
> Using private texts publically (which Besant did), is another thing"
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> Now let us try to think through part of what Carlos is
> telling us.
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> Let us start by looking at the pledge HPB sent
> to all individuals who wanted to join her esoteric school.
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> http://blavatskyarchives.com/espage3.htm
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> Notice #7:
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> "I pledge myself to preserve inviolable secresy as regards the signs
> and pass-words of the Section and all confidential documents.
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> "So help me, my Higher Self."
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> And focusing in:
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> "I pledge myself to preserve INVIOLABLE SECRESY as regards . . . all
> confidential documents." caps added
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> And on page 2 of the same document, it reads in part about
> preserving:
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> "The Secrecy of the documents of the Section . . . unless absolved
> from such secrecy by the Head of the Section."
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> So now let us take this argument by Carlos about, well, about
> circulating privately [to new people] the esoteric documents of HPB.
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> Let's say Carlos had lived back in 1888 and had taken this pledge
> and joined HPB's esoteric school.
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> And then let us suppose that Carlos gets the idea that he wants to
> share the E.S. documents with a few close friends. Mind you, Carlos
> isn't going to publish them publicly, that is, print copies and sell
> them through, let us say, a public bookstore, he is just going to
> circulate them privately to a few friends. He may only let them
> borrow his copy and read the instructions or he may write out
> portions of the whole instruction or even let the friend borrow it
> who then writes out either portions of or the whole instruction.
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> But the question is: Is Carlos actually preserving "inviolable
> secresy" regarding these documents when he does these things?
> Notice in the example I gave Carlos is NOT publicly circulating
> copies, but only privately circulating his copy or extracts or maybe
> even a complete handwritten copy of his printed copy to chosen
> individuals. But again is he actually preserving "inviolable
> secresy" by doing such things and furthermore was he "absolved from
> such secrecy by the Head of the Section"?
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> And in this example what if later HPB discovered that Carlos was
> doing the above, what would she say and do?
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> I give the above example because there are similar cases and
> historical material from 1888-1891 relating to this very issue.
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> As I read the pledge and related material, the pledge is binding for
> life. Even HPB says this in several documents.
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> See also the document titled "Book of Rules", reprinted on pp. 285-
> 286 of THE ESOTERIC PAPERS OF MADAME BLAVATSKY. See:
> http://esotericpapers.net/
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> Here we find that esoteric students were NOT to COMMUNICATE them
> [certain documents] to anyone not already in the esoteric school.
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> Furthermore, no member was to DISCUSS the teachings given in the
> E.S. or DISCUSS any of its confidential documents with outsiders.
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> So would Carlos have being abiding by his pledge [see above] by
> PRIVATELY circulating copies of these E.S. documents to NEW people
> who were not already members of the E.S.?
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> Daniel
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