Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00581)

I am not one to deny religion, but rather the merger of religion 
with government.  Notice the following two figures of the Bible:

1. Jesus: not a government man, but a healer of the sick, teacher of 
the lost, etc.; neither committed genocide, nor did he curse people 
with plagues.  Jesus taught to love one another.  Incidentally, he 
resisted the government-affiliated religious teachers of his day.

2. Moses: a government man who exterminated six nationalities from 
the earth in mass genocide; performed no healing miracles, but 
brought ten destructive plagues on the Egyptians, and ten more on 
his fellow Israelites.  Moses taught life for life and tooth for 
tooth, according to the Ten Commandments.  Law, law, law.  Blood, 
blood, blood.

What's the difference between these two people?  Government 
affiliation.  Once you introduce the rigidity of governmental law 
into your spirituality, then religion dies.  In fact, religion not 
only dies, but it begins to kill too.  But government, not religion 
is the true culprit.  It is the merger of the two that does it.  
Pure religion (spiritual in nature) is as a healty glass of pure 
water, but governmental law is the dirt which corrupts it.  
Government adds the politics into religious politics.

Please understand that if Jesus had ever became a government man, he 
would have become little more than a destroying Moses.  A corrupt 
terror to the earth.  A destroyer.  A Hitler or a Hussein.  No 
longer a healer.  He would have lost something.  What specifically 
happens is that the positive spiritual energies become darkened in 
nature, when mixed with politics and the rigidity of governmental 
law.

The more spiritually enlightened the figure once was (even as Moses 
was once enlightened), the more darkened they become.  The spiritual 
life-giver becomes a carnal death-dealer fueled by supernatural 
energies which have been corrupted and darkened.  And may it also be 
said that those in government who never were spiritually enlightened 
in the first place, never become so dangerous or powerful as those 
who once were spiritually enlightened and then fall from it.

Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein would never have become so powerful 
and destructive without first becoming spiritually enlightened, and 
afterward being tempted by the power of government.  Adolf Hitler 
and Saddam Hussein were once wise spiritual figures with vast 
influence, thereby enabling them to rise in the ranks of political 
power.  For a spiritual person knows even how to manipulate 
government, for they have attained greater consciousness.

However, once they have attained spiritual consciousness, they will 
unwittingly become darkened after embracing the false light of 
governmental power.  They will even kill in the name of 
righteousness and purity, becoming wholly blinded to what their 
victims see clearly.  Even religious leaders will begin to spout 
thoughts about genocide, when they become affiliated with 
government.  Their former spirituality gave them the capacity to 
ascend the ranks of government, and their subsequent governmental 
affiliation killed the light within them.  Consciousness takes on a 
terrible and darkened form.

Blessings

Vince

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> Friends,
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> Religion is often, but not always an excuse to kill.  
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> It is not so in the case of  Mahatma Gandhi;  and not in the case 
of Mahayana Buddhism;  not in the case of the Christian mystics;  
also not so in the case of the Jewish Kaballah, not so in the case 
of Muslim Sufi -- and so on...
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> Although mental laziness tends to oversimplify, we theosophists 
have a more complex and universal view of things, much less based on 
labelling. 
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> Yet it is true that dogmatic centralized religions are far more 
part of the problem than part of the solution, as clearly stated in 
the Mahatma Letter number 10 (88 in the Chronological Edition) , in 
the Prayag Letter, etc. 
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> Had C.W. Leabeater,  A. Besant  AND OTHERS not abandoned 
Theosophy, the theosophical movement could have kept loyal (PERHAPS) 
to his original task of showing bureaucratic, ritualistic religions 
for what they are, and thus preventing hatred and WARS and 
TERRORISM.  
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> We are still in time.  The task is still ours. In a few centuries, 
perhaps decades,  we may be up to it. 
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> But the right criticism to bureaucratic religions, to my limited 
view, does not need to be made from nihilism or negativity.  
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> It must be made from Theosophy, or from the divine wisdom 
viewpoint, even if we have an imperfect notion of it yet.  
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> Best regards, Carlos. 
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World Theosophical Non-Violence
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> > It is the justification for killing people in the name of 
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