Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00557)

No it isnt/
Cass

carlosaveline <carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote: Cass,

Fuelling debates is a subtle, invisible process... 

Difficult to find one single, short term  and personalized cause.

Carlos. 


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Data:Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:25:52 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World CALDWELL & THE JESUITS

> A simple question, who is fuelling these debates?
> Cass
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> carlosaveline wrote: ON IDENTIFYING CALDWELL 
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> Dear Friends,
> 
> An excellent contribution made by Sufilight, see below. 
> 
> It is easy to understand where do Paul Johnson, John Algeo, 
> Gregory Tillet, Pedro Oliveira, Jerry Hejka-Elkins, Chuck the Heretic and others, stand. 
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> One can see that they defend their own views and opinions. 
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> But how to locate Daniel Cadlwell? 
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> Sufilight writes: 
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> "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on internal 
> debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions 
> disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies, namely the 
> Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the gates of 
> Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
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> Now, I aske myself: does that mean we should consider Daniel as directly linked to the Vatican, or to "Opus Dei"? 
> 
> Does nos seem too likely. Yet Daniel did not deny that he is a an Internet fraud, a troller and a trickster, as suggested by Paul Johnson. A trickster who makes propaganda of slanders. 
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> I am curious about that. I did not get to a conclusion yet, but I hope Saturn in transit in Leo will gradually help with that. 
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> Will Caldwell kindly clarify on that? 
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> Best regards, Carlos. 
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> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
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> > Hallo Carlos and all,
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits on the 
> > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
> > 
> > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group which the 
> > theosophists faces.
> > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on internal 
> > debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions 
> > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies, namely the 
> > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the gates of 
> > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp.
> > Let me reformulate and say:
> > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists on a 
> > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
> > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral stance on his 
> > website on the Jesuit issue.
> > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells website.
> > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even claim that I 
> > have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
> > 
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> > Did this help?
> > 
> > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present theosophical 
> > stance on the matter.
> > - - -
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> > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
> > An excerpt:
> > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
> > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
> > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the
> > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former
> > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full
> > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while
> > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
> > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness.
> > . . ."
> > http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm (Published 
> > in Lucifer 1888)
> > 
> > 
> > H. P. Blavatsky says:
> > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground. The Spirit of 
> > Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been near it - from the Church 
> > of Rome. "
> > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
> > 
> > 
> > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
> > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were allowed free 
> > access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of the most 
> > important historical research centres in the world."
> > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
> > 
> > 
> > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix of New Age 
> > thinking:
> > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely secularised. 
> > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional esotericism had 
> > been thoroughly integrated with aspects of modern culture, including the 
> > search for causal laws, evolutionism, psychology and the study of religions. 
> > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena Blavatsky, a Russian 
> > medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry Olcott in New York in 
> > 1875."
> > ...and also...
> > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the Christ spread in 
> > New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of Helena 
> > Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice Bailey's "Arcane School". 
> > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their ideas now, but 
> > also working with New Agers to develop a completely new understanding of 
> > reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age truth"."
> > ...and also...
> > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the emancipation of 
> > women, which involved an attack on the "male" God of Judaism, of 
> > Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to return to the mother-goddess 
> > of Hinduism and to the practice of feminine virtues. This continued under 
> > the guidance of Annie Besant, who was in the vanguard of the feminist 
> > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this struggle against 
> > "patriarchal" Christianity today."
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> > http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
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> > 
> > Help us all:
> > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements this link in the 
> > above makes about The Theosophical Society, theosophy and Blavatsky.
> > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into an answer to the 
> > Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant newspaper or magazine (perhaps 
> > Der Spiegel.)
> > 
> > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than internal nitpickings 
> > about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy or theosophy.
> > 
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> > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
> > 
> > 
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "carlosaveline" 
> > To: "theos-talk" 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Sufilight,
> > 
> > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
> > 
> > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on your
> > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
> > 
> > I missed something here...
> > 
> > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
> > 
> > Carlos.
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> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0200
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> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
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> > > Hallo Daniel and all,
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > > There are good info and bad info in that link.
> > >
> > > I do support Jesus and Christ. But I do it using my own esoterical 
> > > version.
> > >
> > > So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on your
> > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???
> > > And please understand the thirst after compassion and altruism.
> > > I am not looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists, but seeking 
> > > that
> > > you yourself take a moral stance on your website.
> > >
> > > The only link with online info on Jesuits I did find was this one:
> > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/judgeelliotcoues.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Interesting views you have here Daniel Caldwell...
> > > http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_daniel.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:53 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > For a new website with a few recommended titles, see:
> > > >
> > > > http://didjesusexist.info/
> > > >
> > > > For some of H.P. Blavatsky's comments on this subject,
> > > > and a more comprehensive list of recommended material,
> > > > see:
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> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm
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> > > > Daniel
> > > > http://hpb.cc
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