Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00461)

"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote: Hallo Cass and all,

My views are:

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3.
Cass wrote:
Cass: I am getting a sense of fear coming from you that occult knowledge 
must be for only the righteous, but who can decide, who is righteous. 
Perhaps I am complacent but I believe that the Masters are watching over us 
and will not allow anything to stop the divine plan of evolution. Even if it 
means many souls may perish there will be other opportunities in this and 
other solar systems for us to "know ourselves"

M. Sufilight:
 You think the Masters are watching over us.
Then I wonder, what made the Coulomb incident happen?
 What created the Leadbeater scandal within TS? 
What created the Liberal Catholic Church and its scandals?

Cass: I am sure that the Masters were aware of the possibility/probability of these events coming to pass.  However, they cannot interfere in another man's free will nor can they predict with 100% certainty that a man will change his views once exposed to knowledge that could change the world.  Obviously, for me anyhow, the Colombs, Leadbeater and the Liberal Catholic Church were a fait accompli, and one of the the unfortunate results of attempting to re-establish truth, in an ever growing materialistic world, through the Theosophical Society.    I am sure I have read that the  Masters  chose HPB because she was the only suitable candidate at the time for this work, as  Theosophy had to be established at this time to counterbalance the possibility of the widespread prospect of materialism.

I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said. And you might want to call Blavatsky a woman with fear.But I am quite certain, that her agenda was compassion and Altruism.
I quote Blavatsky:

An excerpt:
THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
"Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above,
the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly,sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness.
. . ."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm

Blavatsky often said, that the jesuits were the most dangerous group to the theosophical cause.

Cass: And she provided evidence to back up her claim.  Since its inception, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been the seat of materialism?  And their front line soldiers were the Jesuits,  whom as HPB says had been playing with occultism for centuries but under the garb of righteous christianity.  So called Witches were being burned while the Jesuits were guilty of the same acts.


It is this dilemma, call it esoterical if you like, which always will hunt 
Theosophy and theosophy.
The fact is, that - today - many so-called theosophist are quite clearly 
doing almost nothing - or at least embarrassingly little on this issue.
They just sit in their chairs and wait, that the Masters should do all and 
everything.

Cass:  I think this is a bit harsh.  Most of the theosophists I have met have been genuine altruistic people, sharing whatever knowledge they have with others.  What actually do you expect a theosophist to do as I am unclear on where you are coming from on this point?

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4.
Cass wrote:
"Cass: Para Brahman is in his heavens and all is well.  I know that 
ParaBrahman is real as he is at the source of all creation."

M. Sufilight:
Maybe some will say I am too concerned,
but according to Blavatsky we have that ParaBrahman is not a "he":

"Parabraham is not this or that, it is not even consciousness, as
it cannot be related to matter or anything conditioned. It is not Ego nor is
it Non-ego, not even Atma, but verily the one source of all manifestations
and modes of existence."
(written in The secret Doctrine, Vol 1., page 130 by Blavatsky )
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm

Cass: Yes, you are right, bad wording on my part. "Emerging from within darkness, the Eternal and the uncreated Self-existing Substance which produces all; while everything which is of its essence produces itself out of its own nature."  Our heavenly androgonyne father, the unrevealed.




from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a sweet hug from all of the x-file 
carrying Rugrats...
Cass: Same to you

In friendship, Cass



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric 
Instructions


Thanks for responding Morten,

"M. Sufilight"  wrote: Hallo Cass and all,

My views are:

Please, try to understand that this email is written out of compassion to
all of us.
Please...
Cass:  I also come from that same place.

Cass wrote:
"I am not that concerned Morten"

I would say and suggest, that you AUGHT to be concerned.
ParaBrahman is real.

Cass: Para Brahman is in his heavens and all is well.  I know that 
ParaBrahman is real as he is at the source of all creation.

Cass wrote:
"If this knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would
have blown up this planet twice over."

Be careful. It might happen!

Cass: My fears entirely, was it Keely that understood vril energy but 
destroyed the evidence as he feared it would result in disaster if placed in 
the wrong hands?

One aught to seek wisdom and act wisely.
Please remember, that I have in all this only been talking in general
terms - and not about Blavatsky alone.
I am quite certain, that those Seekers after Truth, who yet do NOT really
and honestly Know, what is good to publish and make officially available -
and what NOT to make officially available - aught NOT to publish anything
new - ie. anything not yet published. And they aught to carefully consider
their conscience when copying papers from other authuors and while later
distributing them - for instance distributing them on the Internet. We all
have something to learn.
If any writer, author or Seeker just without compassion publishes anything
they can get hold on without verifying, what compassion is, they will also
have to face the consequences of misleading a number of Seekers.

Cass: I agree that the road can be rocky but we must also learn to 
discriminate between what is false and what is fact.  I am sure that the 
karmic consequences are tied in to motive.

 I am in fact talking about unconscious sorcery. When one becomes a 
wellknown face or a wellknown teacher one better think twice before one 
starts playing with fire and go publishing just anything, - and especially 
anything on the Internet, because it has a larger and broader audience.

Cass: Perhaps their reasons are driven  through ignorance rather than 
through evil?  I am partially convinced that any press for HPB is good 
press, that it is better to give a version of the ancient truths, even as a 
substitute theory, than to continue down the path of christianity, et al.



Master Morya said that Blavatsky was too outspoken,
and yet Blavatsky was FORBIDDEN to say what she Knew:

"You know K.H. and me -- buss! know you anything of the whole Brotherhood
and its ramifications? The Old Woman is accused of untruthfulness,
inaccuracy in her statements. "Ask no questions and you will receive no
lies." She is forbidden to say what she knows. You may cut her to pieces and
she will not tell. Nay -- she is ordered in cases of need to mislead people;
and, were she more of a natural born liar -- she might be happier and won
her day long since by this time. But that's just where the shoe pinches,
Sahib. She is too truthful, too outspoken, too incapable of dissimulation:
and now she is being daily crucified for it. Try not to be hasty, respected
Sir. The world was not made in a day; nor has the tail of the yak developed
in one year. Let evolution take its course naturally -- lest we make it
deviate and produce monsters by presuming to guide it. "
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-47.htm (Received Allahabad,
3rd March, 1882.)

Cass: I guess HPB as a personality was unable to deal in parables. Morya 
understood that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the wrong 
minds, but 100 years have passed, and the world is crying out for an 
alternative philosophy that synthesises, science and religion.



A quote from Blavatsky:
"It is well known that the first rule of the society is to carry out the
object of forming the nucleus of a universal brotherhood. The practical
working of this rule was explained by those who laid it down, to the
following effect:-- 
HE WHO DOES NOT PRACTISE ALTRUISM; HE WHO IS NOT PREPARED TO SHARE HIS LAST
MORSEL WITH A WEAKER OR POORER THAN HIMSELF; HE WHO NEGLECTS TO HELP HIS
BROTHER MAN, OF WHATEVER RACE, NATION, OR CREED, WHENEVER AND WHEREVER HE
MEETS SUFFERING, AND WHO TURNS A DEAF EAR TO THE CRY OF HUMAN MISERY; HE WHO
HEARS AN INNOCENT PERSON SLANDERED, WHETHER A BROTHER THEOSOPHIST OR NOT,
AND DOES NOT UNDERTAKE HIS DEFENCE AS HE WOULD UNDERTAKE HIS OWN--IS NO
THEOSOPHIST.

Lucifer, November, 1887"
("LET EVERY MAN PROVE HIS OWN WORK")
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/LetEveryManProveHisOwnWork.htm


OCCULTISM VERSUS THE OCCULT ARTS
"Let then those who will dabble in magic, whether they understand its nature
or not, but who find the rules imposed upon students too hard, and who,
therefore lay Atma-Vidya or Occultism aside--go without it. Let them become
magicians by all means, even though they do become Voodoos and Dugpas for
the next ten incarnations."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OccultismVersusTheOccultArts.htm


Master Morya says:

"On the other hand we claim to know more of the secret cause of events than
you men of the world do. I say then that it is the vilification and abuse of
the founders, the general misconception of the aims and objects of the
Society that paralyses its progress -- nothing else. There's no want of
definitiveness in these objects were they but properly explained. The
members would have plenty to do were they to pursue reality with half the
fervour they do mirage. I am sorry to find you comparing Theosophy to a
painted house on the stage whereas in the hands of true philanthropists and
theosophists it might become as strong as an impregnable fort. The situation
is this: men who join the Society with the one selfish object of reaching
power making occult science their only or even chief aim may as well not
join it -- they are doomed to disappointment as much as those who commit the
mistake of letting them believe that the Society is nothing else. It is just
because they preach too much "the Brothers" and too little if at all
Brotherhood that they fail. How many times had we to repeat, that he who
joins the Society with the sole object of coming in contact with us and if
not of acquiring at least of assuring himself of the reality of such powers
and of our objective existence -- was pursuing a mirage? I say again then.

Cass: Again it comes to motive, he appears to be referring to those who want 
to become occultists for power, authority and prestige over their fellow 
men. That basically these are either weeded out  very early in the piece  or 
fall prey to their baser instincts.

It is he alone who has the love of humanity at heart, who is capable of
grasping thoroughly the idea of a regenerating practical Brotherhood who is
entitled to the possession of our secrets. He alone, such a man -- will
never misuse his powers, as there will be no fear that he should turn them
to selfish ends. A man who places not the good of mankind above his own good
is not worthy of becoming our chela -- he is not worthy of becoming higher
in knowledge than his neighbour. If he craves for phenomena let him be
satisfied with the pranks of spiritualism."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-38.htm (Received Allahabad.
About February, 1882. )



Master Morya was struggling in 1882. Do you think things have improved since
he wrote this???

Let us have more Brotherhood and Sisterhood - ie. more Altruism and more
wise
teachings - teachings adapted to time, place, people and circumstances in a
wise manner.


I am not concerned in any negative sense of the word. But concerned I am.

Cass: I am getting a sense of fear coming from you that occult knowledge 
must be for only the righteous, but who can decide, who is righteous. 
Perhaps I am complacent but I believe that the Masters are watching over us 
and will not allow anything to stop the divine plan of evolution. Even if it 
means many souls may perish there will be other opportunities in this and 
other solar systems for us to "know ourselves"

LOL
Cass



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric
Instructions


I am not that concerned Morten, as I believe that before the Vril energy can
be used it must be understood at a personal level.  HPB would not have
allowed anything 'dangerous' or 'revealing' to be put into print.  I have
read that we are tested many many times before we are accepted as a chela,
and not at a physical level either.  It is OK to say these things and much
more exist that we cannot begin to understand, but only through personal
experience are we taught to know, handle and control these forces.   If this
knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would have blown
up this planet twice over.

Cheers
Cass

"M. Sufilight"  wrote: Hallo all,

My views are:

Not all books, writings and texts are on the same level of compassion.
Not all emails are on the same level of compassion.

So you find no harm in making a certain scientist or two aware of how to use
the Vril Force?
Some theosophical texts will most certainly have a great risk of creating a
dugpa out of some readers of it. Or circumstances not wanted. Aught such
texts not only to be revealed to those Seekers ready for their content?

Wisdom is still important.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric
Instructions


I am not that concerned Morten, as I believe that before the Vril energy can
be used it must be understood at a personal level.  HPB would not have
allowed anything 'dangerous' or 'revealing' to be put into print.  I have
read that we are tested many many times before we are accepted as a chela,
and not at a physical level either.  It is OK to say these things and much
more exist that we cannot begin to understand, but only through personal
experience are we taught to know, handle and control these forces.   If this
knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would have blown
up this planet twice over.

Cheers
Cass

"M. Sufilight"  wrote: Hallo all,

My views are:

Not all books, writings and texts are on the same level of compassion.
Not all emails are on the same level of compassion.

So you find no harm in making a certain scientist or two aware of how to use
the Vril Force?
Some theosophical texts will most certainly have a great risk of creating a
dugpa out of some readers of it. Or circumstances not wanted. Aught such
texts not only to be revealed to those Seekers ready for their content?

Wisdom is still important.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M K Ramadoss"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric
Instructions


> Here is my take on the following.
>
> With passage of time what was once esoteric/hidden becomes exoteric.
>
> The real secrets are never to be found written anywhere as much of it has
> to
> learned to read between the lines and using one's intuition.
>
> Hence, I do not see any problem in making what has already been printed or
> handwritten to be made available on the Internet.
>
> For those who are not yet ready to really understand, even when truth
> stares
> at them when they read a written material, they are likely to be blind to
> it
> and do not see it.
>
> In my own personal experience, there are items I have read decades ago
> which
> did not make much sense then are now making more sense and am able to
> understand better.
>
> mkr
>
> PS: I read somewhere that a great man said "Nothing created by human mind
> is
> sacred"
>
>
> On 4/17/06, M. Sufilight  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am quite certain, that those Seekers after Truth, who yet do NOT really
>> and honestly Know, what is good to publish and make officially
>> available -
>> and what NOT to make officially available - aught NOT to publish
>> anything -
>> not yet published. And they aught to carefully consider their conscience
>> when copying papers from other authuors and while later distributing
>> them -
>> for instance distributing them on the Internet. We all have something to
>> learn.
>> Remember, that the Master said, that Blavatsky in fact was too outspoken.
>>
>
>
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