Re: Theos-World Give Daniel a Chance
Apr 20, 2006 12:54 PM
by Mark S. Hamilton Jr.
My comment was in jest. I was creating an allegory to the Salem witch
trial.
-Mark H.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:44:44 -0300, carlosaveline
<carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:
Dear Mark,
Not at all, and Daniel may show to us that he is not a fraud similar to
the Coulombs... Let's not judge him. Let's give a chance to say
Johnson is wrong.
Carlos.
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Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:27:41 -0300
Assunto:Re: Theos-World Daniel's Motive for Laughing
Witch!
Burn the witches!
-Mark H.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:23:17 -0300, carlosaveline
wrote:
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> Dear Friends,
>
> Daniel seems to be trying to laugh his way out of his present
> situation...
>
> Carlos.
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> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:04:22 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Motive in Slandering
>
>> Carlos,
>>
>> Oh good my reputation will then be really "bad" and Chuck
>> will not be the #1 bad guy on Theos-Talk!!
>>
>> ----------------
>> OBTW Chuck, thanks for sending me that red cape. I never
>> knew being a dugpa could be so much fun. No wonder you
>> always have a grin!
>>
>> Maybe Erica (on the other chat list....) could post your photo
>> with your red cape too! Send it to her!
>>
>> Daniel W.A.L. Caldwell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> >
>> > Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another
>> posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own
>> (Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
>> >
>> > Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his
>> gossips.
>> >
>> > Instead of 19th century ones, he can explain his own present and
>> recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive
>> liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons.
>> >
>> > Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and Philosophy,
>> not personality gossips.
>> >
>> > Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent
>> Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much
>> propaganda about 19th century slanderers.
>> >
>> > Best regards, Carlos.
>> >
>> >
>> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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>> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
>> >
>> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
>> >
>> > > Carlos,
>> > >
>> > > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
>> > >
>> > > Aren't you curious about this letter given
>> > > in facsimile?
>> > >
>> > > It may or may not have some relevance to
>> > > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
>> > >
>> > > But it is interesting that this supposed
>> > > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
>> > >
>> > > Where did it come from?
>> > >
>> > > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
>> > > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
>> > > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later.
>> > >
>> > > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
>> > > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
>> > >
>> > > Daniel
>> > >
>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Friends,
>> > > >
>> > > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old.
>> > > >
>> > > > Carlos.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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>> > > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
>> > > >
>> > > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this
>> Mahatma
>> > > Letter in 1890 or before?
>> > > >
>> > > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890
>> > > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
>> > > > > Mahatma Letters.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper)
>> > > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
>> > > > > asked the following question:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a
>> > > while
>> > > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune
>> published
>> > > in
>> > > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Coues is reported as replying:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went
>> the
>> > > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you
>> wish
>> > > to
>> > > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made
>> of
>> > > thin,
>> > > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped
>> > > with
>> > > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice
>> > > writing
>> > > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a
>> faint
>> > > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I
>> > > believe
>> > > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The
>> wax
>> > > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once
>> > > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light,
>> she
>> > > alone
>> > > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good
>> > > imitation.
>> > > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you
>> > > perceive;
>> > > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge,
>> who
>> > > is
>> > > > > an expert penman."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun"
>> article.
>> > > You
>> > > > > can see the facsimiles at:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the
>> first
>> > > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters
>> disputed
>> > > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See
>> some
>> > > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare
>> the
>> > > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as
>> given
>> > > in
>> > > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in
>> Pelletier
>> > > p.
>> > > > > 358.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
>> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter
>> surfaced
>> > > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues
>> > > possession
>> > > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of
>> their
>> > > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Daniel
>> > > > > http://hpb.cc
>> > > >
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>> > >
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