Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00394)

"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote: Hallo Cass and all,

My views are:

Please, try to understand that this email is written out of compassion to=20
all of us.
Please...
Cass:  I also come from that same place.

Cass wrote:
"I am not that concerned Morten"

I would say and suggest, that you AUGHT to be concerned.
ParaBrahman is real.

Cass: Para Brahman is in his heavens and all is well.  I know that ParaBrah=
man is real as he is at the source of all creation.

Cass wrote:
"If this knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would=20
have blown up this planet twice over."

Be careful. It might happen!

Cass: My fears entirely, was it Keely that understood vril energy but destr=
oyed the evidence as he feared it would result in disaster if placed in the=
 wrong hands?

One aught to seek wisdom and act wisely.
Please remember, that I have in all this only been talking in general=20
terms - and not about Blavatsky alone.
I am quite certain, that those Seekers after Truth, who yet do NOT really=20
and honestly Know, what is good to publish and make officially available -=
=20
and what NOT to make officially available - aught NOT to publish anything=20
new - ie. anything not yet published. And they aught to carefully consider=
=20
their conscience when copying papers from other authuors and while later=20
distributing them - for instance distributing them on the Internet. We all=
=20
have something to learn.
If any writer, author or Seeker just without compassion publishes anything=
=20
they can get hold on without verifying, what compassion is, they will also=
=20
have to face the consequences of misleading a number of Seekers.

Cass: I agree that the road can be rocky but we must also learn to discrimi=
nate between what is false and what is fact.  I am sure that the karmic con=
sequences are tied in to motive.=20=20

 I am in fact talking about unconscious sorcery. When one becomes a wellkno=
wn face or a wellknown teacher one better think twice before one starts pla=
ying with fire and go publishing just anything, - and especially anything o=
n the Internet, because it has a larger and broader audience.

Cass: Perhaps their reasons are driven  through ignorance rather than throu=
gh evil?  I am partially convinced that any press for HPB is good press, th=
at it is better to give a version of the ancient truths, even as a substitu=
te theory, than to continue down the path of christianity, et al.



Master Morya said that Blavatsky was too outspoken,
and yet Blavatsky was FORBIDDEN to say what she Knew:

"You know K.H. and me -- buss! know you anything of the whole Brotherhood=20
and its ramifications? The Old Woman is accused of untruthfulness,=20
inaccuracy in her statements. "Ask no questions and you will receive no=20
lies." She is forbidden to say what she knows. You may cut her to pieces an=
d=20
she will not tell. Nay -- she is ordered in cases of need to mislead people=
;=20
and, were she more of a natural born liar -- she might be happier and won=20
her day long since by this time. But that's just where the shoe pinches,=20
Sahib. She is too truthful, too outspoken, too incapable of dissimulation:=
=20
and now she is being daily crucified for it. Try not to be hasty, respected=
=20
Sir. The world was not made in a day; nor has the tail of the yak developed=
=20
in one year. Let evolution take its course naturally -- lest we make it=20
deviate and produce monsters by presuming to guide it. "
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-47.htm (Received Allahabad,=
=20
3rd March, 1882.)

Cass: I guess HPB as a personality was unable to deal in parables. Morya un=
derstood that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the wrong mind=
s, but 100 years have passed, and the world is crying out for an alternativ=
e philosophy that synthesises, science and religion.



A quote from Blavatsky:
"It is well known that the first rule of the society is to carry out the=20
object of forming the nucleus of a universal brotherhood. The practical=20
working of this rule was explained by those who laid it down, to the=20
following effect:--=20
HE WHO DOES NOT PRACTISE ALTRUISM; HE WHO IS NOT PREPARED TO SHARE HIS LAST=
=20
MORSEL WITH A WEAKER OR POORER THAN HIMSELF; HE WHO NEGLECTS TO HELP HIS=20
BROTHER MAN, OF WHATEVER RACE, NATION, OR CREED, WHENEVER AND WHEREVER HE=20
MEETS SUFFERING, AND WHO TURNS A DEAF EAR TO THE CRY OF HUMAN MISERY; HE WH=
O=20
HEARS AN INNOCENT PERSON SLANDERED, WHETHER A BROTHER THEOSOPHIST OR NOT,=20
AND DOES NOT UNDERTAKE HIS DEFENCE AS HE WOULD UNDERTAKE HIS OWN--IS NO=20
THEOSOPHIST.

Lucifer, November, 1887"
("LET EVERY MAN PROVE HIS OWN WORK")
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/LetEveryManProveHisOwnWork.htm


OCCULTISM VERSUS THE OCCULT ARTS
"Let then those who will dabble in magic, whether they understand its natur=
e=20
or not, but who find the rules imposed upon students too hard, and who,=20
therefore lay Atma-Vidya or Occultism aside--go without it. Let them become=
=20
magicians by all means, even though they do become Voodoos and Dugpas for=20
the next ten incarnations."
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OccultismVersusTheOccultArts.htm


Master Morya says:

"On the other hand we claim to know more of the secret cause of events than=
=20
you men of the world do. I say then that it is the vilification and abuse o=
f=20
the founders, the general misconception of the aims and objects of the=20
Society that paralyses its progress -- nothing else. There's no want of=20
definitiveness in these objects were they but properly explained. The=20
members would have plenty to do were they to pursue reality with half the=20
fervour they do mirage. I am sorry to find you comparing Theosophy to a=20
painted house on the stage whereas in the hands of true philanthropists and=
=20
theosophists it might become as strong as an impregnable fort. The situatio=
n=20
is this: men who join the Society with the one selfish object of reaching=20
power making occult science their only or even chief aim may as well not=20
join it -- they are doomed to disappointment as much as those who commit th=
e=20
mistake of letting them believe that the Society is nothing else. It is jus=
t=20
because they preach too much "the Brothers" and too little if at all=20
Brotherhood that they fail. How many times had we to repeat, that he who=20
joins the Society with the sole object of coming in contact with us and if=
=20
not of acquiring at least of assuring himself of the reality of such powers=
=20
and of our objective existence -- was pursuing a mirage? I say again then.=
=20

Cass: Again it comes to motive, he appears to be referring to those who wan=
t to become occultists for power, authority and prestige over their fellow =
men. That basically these are either weeded out  very early in the piece  o=
r  fall prey to their baser instincts.
=20
It is he alone who has the love of humanity at heart, who is capable of=20
grasping thoroughly the idea of a regenerating practical Brotherhood who is=
=20
entitled to the possession of our secrets. He alone, such a man -- will=20
never misuse his powers, as there will be no fear that he should turn them=
=20
to selfish ends. A man who places not the good of mankind above his own goo=
d=20
is not worthy of becoming our chela -- he is not worthy of becoming higher=
=20
in knowledge than his neighbour. If he craves for phenomena let him be=20
satisfied with the pranks of spiritualism."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-38.htm (Received Allahabad.=
=20
About February, 1882. )



Master Morya was struggling in 1882. Do you think things have improved sinc=
e=20
he wrote this???

Let us have more Brotherhood and Sisterhood - ie. more Altruism and more=20
wise
teachings - teachings adapted to time, place, people and circumstances in a=
=20
wise manner.


I am not concerned in any negative sense of the word. But concerned I am.

Cass: I am getting a sense of fear coming from you that occult knowledge mu=
st be for only the righteous, but who can decide, who is righteous.  Perhap=
s I am complacent but I believe that the Masters are watching over us and w=
ill not allow anything to stop the divine plan of evolution. Even if it mea=
ns many souls may perish there will be other opportunities in this and othe=
r solar systems for us to "know ourselves"

LOL
Cass



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Cass Silva"=20
To:=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric=20
Instructions


I am not that concerned Morten, as I believe that before the Vril energy ca=
n=20
be used it must be understood at a personal level.  HPB would not have=20
allowed anything 'dangerous' or 'revealing' to be put into print.  I have=20
read that we are tested many many times before we are accepted as a chela,=
=20
and not at a physical level either.  It is OK to say these things and much=
=20
more exist that we cannot begin to understand, but only through personal=20
experience are we taught to know, handle and control these forces.   If thi=
s=20
knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would have blown=
=20
up this planet twice over.

Cheers
Cass

"M. Sufilight"  wrote: Hallo all,

My views are:

Not all books, writings and texts are on the same level of compassion.
Not all emails are on the same level of compassion.

So you find no harm in making a certain scientist or two aware of how to us=
e
the Vril Force?
Some theosophical texts will most certainly have a great risk of creating a
dugpa out of some readers of it. Or circumstances not wanted. Aught such
texts not only to be revealed to those Seekers ready for their content?

Wisdom is still important.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Cass Silva"=20
To:=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric=20
Instructions


I am not that concerned Morten, as I believe that before the Vril energy ca=
n=20
be used it must be understood at a personal level.  HPB would not have=20
allowed anything 'dangerous' or 'revealing' to be put into print.  I have=20
read that we are tested many many times before we are accepted as a chela,=
=20
and not at a physical level either.  It is OK to say these things and much=
=20
more exist that we cannot begin to understand, but only through personal=20
experience are we taught to know, handle and control these forces.   If thi=
s=20
knowledge had been freely available to any book reader we would have blown=
=20
up this planet twice over.

Cheers
Cass

"M. Sufilight"  wrote: Hallo all,

My views are:

Not all books, writings and texts are on the same level of compassion.
Not all emails are on the same level of compassion.

So you find no harm in making a certain scientist or two aware of how to us=
e
the Vril Force?
Some theosophical texts will most certainly have a great risk of creating a
dugpa out of some readers of it. Or circumstances not wanted. Aught such
texts not only to be revealed to those Seekers ready for their content?

Wisdom is still important.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "M K Ramadoss"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Concerning Secrecy - H. P. Blavatsky's Esoteric
Instructions


> Here is my take on the following.
>
> With passage of time what was once esoteric/hidden becomes exoteric.
>
> The real secrets are never to be found written anywhere as much of it has
> to
> learned to read between the lines and using one's intuition.
>
> Hence, I do not see any problem in making what has already been printed o=
r
> handwritten to be made available on the Internet.
>
> For those who are not yet ready to really understand, even when truth
> stares
> at them when they read a written material, they are likely to be blind to
> it
> and do not see it.
>
> In my own personal experience, there are items I have read decades ago
> which
> did not make much sense then are now making more sense and am able to
> understand better.
>
> mkr
>
> PS: I read somewhere that a great man said "Nothing created by human mind
> is
> sacred"
>
>
> On 4/17/06, M. Sufilight  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am quite certain, that those Seekers after Truth, who yet do NOT reall=
y
>> and honestly Know, what is good to publish and make officially
>> available -
>> and what NOT to make officially available - aught NOT to publish
>> anything -
>> not yet published. And they aught to carefully consider their conscience
>> when copying papers from other authuors and while later distributing
>> them -
>> for instance distributing them on the Internet. We all have something to
>> learn.
>> Remember, that the Master said, that Blavatsky in fact was too outspoken=
.
>>
>
>
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>
>
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