Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00377)

Sufilight,

Thanks a lot. 

Nice contribution. 

I am still trying to figure out what is Daniel's agenda after all.  

Not likely that he is directly sponsored by the Vatican -- but I cannot understand his political movements or aims, or goals,  yet.  

Making propaganda at once of Leadbeater's "literature"  and of Tillett's book ("The Elder Brother")  which clearly shows Leadbeater as a criminal and a long-standing child-abuser?  

There must be some political reason for that, or a reason of some other order. There should be some logic design  beneath this pattern of actions.   

Thanks for sharing your views,

Carlos.  








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Data:Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:13:27 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Caldwell & the Criminals

> Hallo all,
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> My views are:
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> 1.
> Carlos wrote:
> "Not even Daniel has the nerve to say that those slanders are more than 
> slanders. He says -- "maybe". He treacherously suggests the possibility. He 
> makes propaganda of the slanders and washes his hands. "
> 
> Is this really true Daniel ??? - Would you care to explain this any further 
> ?
> Some of us claim, that we know, that the old woman was allright in so many 
> respects, that the Columbs etherical heads might spin so fast that a heretic 
> would not be able to make them stop rotating within. No maybe's coming from 
> me on that one.
> 
> But we also know, that without fuss and drama, the theosophical teachings 
> would remain unknown.
> Some would think though it was a carefully planned plot devised by the 
> Master Morya, Blavatsky and the Mrs. Coulomb so to make people aware of 
> theosophical teachings. The Christians (with the Jesuits nearby and ready) 
> in India was anyway already loosing influence.
> But, I disagree on that version.
> 
> Someone shouted: Enemies at the Gates!
> 
> 2.
> My point of view - against www.blavatskyarchives.com :
> What I am really against is the construction of the website 
> www.blavatskyarchives.com
> It makes some of the - negative - articles easily accessible to search 
> engines, without any clear info about which - theosophical or 
> non-theosophical - stance the website supports.
> The theosophical or non-theosophical - stance the website supports, - could 
> instead with advantage in such a case be -clearly - visible on the website 
> and not only be given to you if you choose the proper link on the page.
> Or Else the website should be constructed so, that the - negative pages 
> could not be found by the various Search Engines. For instance using 
> socalled ROBOT metatags.
> 
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> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carlosaveline" 
> To: "theos-talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:42 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Caldwell & the Criminals
> 
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> 
> Bill,
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> H. S. Olcott, H. P. Blavatsky, every theosophist in the 19th century, and 
> Vernon Harrison and other SPR members in the late 20th century have said 
> loud and clear that Soloviof's and Coulombs's accusations against HPB were, 
> and are, FALSE.
> 
> So, why pretend they "may be true"?
> 
> I am defending no "party line" here. It is just common sense.
> 
> Why would Ms. Radha Burnier agree with me, as she did, in written form, as 
> to the publication of these old slanders? How come Soloviof is suddenly 
> seen as a "historical source"? Daniel obviously knows very well that 
> Soloviof and the Coulimbs were criminals -- thieves and blackmailers. They 
> tried to extract money from the TS, and as they failed they got the money 
> from the Christian Missionaries and attacked HPB with forged letters etc. 
> So why publicizing all that stuff?
> 
> What is the aim here?
> 
> Not even Daniel has the nerve to say that those slanders are more than 
> slanders. He says -- "maybe". He treacherously suggests the possibility. He 
> makes propaganda of the slanders and washes his hands.
> 
> There are certain things in life that are well-known. Look at HPB's 
> astrological chart and tell me she "could have been" a fraud!
> 
> Sun in Leo; Ascendant in Cancer; Moon in Libra. And many other elements of 
> deep, firm sincerity and courage, but also of some vulnerability to enemies 
> (ascendant Cancer).
> 
> One thing is liberty of thought. Another thing is circulating the same old 
> falsehoods.
> 
> But if Daniel uses fraud with false names in the Internet, then he may have 
> something in common with the Coulombs.
> 
> I am trying to figure this out.
> 
> Regards, Carlos.
> 
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> Data:Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:18:11 -0400
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World Paul Johnson & Daniel Caldwell
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> > carlosaveline wrote:
> > > Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > And then you have Paul Johnson with his brilliant "theories" against the 
> > > theosophical movement.
> > >
> >
> > Carlos, what is your motivation in bringing this up again?
> > > Strangely enough, last February Paul Johnson denounced Daniel Caldwell 
> > > at Theos-talk as a "troller" who invented several aliases or 
> > > "internet-personifications" in order to attack the ULT, to attack Paul 
> > > himself, etc. Once Johnson made his points with regard to Daniel, our 
> > > slanders-editor diesappeared from Theos-talk with no explanations. Or at 
> > > least spent some time writing here under other names.
> > >
> >
> > I believe that Paul gave a very clear explanation of why he was leaving
> > theos-talk. Perhaps you have forgotten?
> > > I am still waiting for Daniel's answer to the texts by Paul Johnson on 
> > > him.
> > > This is rather important. In case Daniel actually forged the existence 
> > > of persons like "David Green", or "Terry Hobbes", etc. (which he did not 
> > > deny so far), he might also be inclined to make propaganda of other 
> > > forgers, like Sololoviof, etc.
> > >
> >
> > A person who sees beyond the superficial realizes that Daniel has
> > answered this question very clearly. Another person, who only looks at
> > the surface of things, will not see the answer.
> > > After all, if that is true, the Coulombs and Soloviof could be 
> > > considered his 19th century coleagues.
> > >
> > > As we know, Ethics is of the essence if anyone wants to study Theosophy.
> > >
> > > I hope Daniel will answer to Paul Johnson's accusations of 
> > > internet-fraud, and I also hope he will abandon his propaganda about the 
> > > falsehoods created by the enemies of the theosophical movement, who 
> > > seems to have no respect for facts.
> > The overarching FACT of HPB's efforts is that a man should grow to think
> > independently for himself. As often as Daniel and I have disagreed, he
> > has never insinuated that I should take his word for anything. He has
> > never implied that his understanding of theosophy was THE
> > understanding. He has never said, "read this, but not that. Consider
> > these authors as legitimate but not these others." When Daniel makes
> > critical comments about THE MASTERS REVEALED, I know that he has
> > actually read the book. To his credit, he does not then say, "I have
> > read the book and it is flawed, so you don't need to read the book." I
> > believe that Daniel understands that every man must learn to think and
> > discern for himself the wisdom inherent in every representation of
> > truth. This learning process is sometimes difficult as old
> > well-accepted thought patterns are challenged again and again, but the
> > difficulty of such a life is far better than the stupor of never had
> > thought for oneself in any significant sense.
> >
> > Carlos, I do see evidence that you also think for yourself
> > occasionally. Where you and I would disagree, is that you would have
> > others take your conclusions and observations as Fact, rather than have
> > them experience the theosophical process of discerning fact from fiction
> > for themselves.
> >
> >
> > peace within,
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> >
> > bill
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