Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00355)

 I understand the desire to have the lineage of HPB, Judge, and Crosby 
remain intact and consistent.  However, your "plausible" explanation 
creates some difficult phrases in the letter from Judge to Keightley. 
"Under all of it & over it all the Masters hand;" is one such comment. 
This is something that I would expect to hear from HPB, not from the 
living Nirmanakaya that informed HPB. Here is another saying that is 
troublesome, "Master is not after minor points."  Perhaps you could 
comment on these lines and your impression of the general tone of the 
letter in which Judge begins, "The accompanying document ('an exact 
transcript of what HPB said') is as follows:"


peace within,


bill

robert_b_macd wrote:
> Consider the following:
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> 1. HPB wrote of Judge: "in virtue of his character as a chela of
> thirteen years standing." (Echoes, I, xxxii)  This means that Judge
> was a chela of the Masters since 1875.  In 1875 there were no
> lay-chelas, etc.  Judge must have been a fully fledged chela of Master M.
>
> 2. It is clear that right up to her death, HPB had full faith in
> Judge.  Just before her death, HPB wrote about Judge to the American
> Section: "[H]e who has proved in a thousand ways his entire loyalty to
> the best interests of Theosophy and the Society." (TJC, pt.1, 37)
>
> 3. Judge in his own defense wrote the following:  ". . . during all
> the years since 1875 I have been taught much about occultism by the
> Masters and their friends, and have been shown how to produce some
> phenomena, among others the precipitation of writing for the Masters
> at certain times.  This is always in the form to which the prosecutors
> most foolishly object.  These teachings began - notwithstanding
> ignorance of it, and that I am probably a medium - in 1875 with H.P.B.
>  In that year, the first precipitation done through me was effected in
> New York . . ." (Echoes, I, l)  So, according to Judge's testimony he
> had been trained by the Masters in certain occult practices as far
> back as 1875, and one of these practices was "the precipitation of
> writing".  It is interesting that Olcott was a witness to this and
> also that Olcott's diaries for this period went missing.  If he was a
> chela, as HPB claimed, clearly he would have been instructed in those
> occult practices that were necessary for him to carry out his duties.
>  As his Master resided half a world away, it would not be surprising
> for him to be connected so as to communicate readily with his Master
> when need be.
>
> 4. In a private letter to Judge written in 1889, HPB writes:
> "The Esoteric Section and its life in the U.S.A. depends on W.Q.J.
> remaining its agent & what he is now.  The day W.Q.J. resigns, H.P.B.
> will be virtually dead for the Americans.  W.Q.J. is the Antaskarana
> between the two Manas(es), the American thought & the Indian - or
> rather the trans-Himalayan Esoteric Knowledge. DIXI          H.P.B.
> "P.S.  W.Q.J. had better show, & impress this on the minds of all
> those whom it may concern." (Letters That Have Helped Me, 278)
> This passage is highly suggestive, with Judge being described in terms
> of a spiritual bridge between the East and the West.  He is also
> H.P.B.'s bridge to the Americas.
>
> 5. H.P.B. even went so far as to write concerning Judge in one
> instance: "His ever and till and AFTER death."  (ibid. 280)  After death?
>
> 6. There is the well known testimony of C.F. Willard concerning
> Judge's change of appearance at the Boston Convention of 1891(TJC, pt.
> 1, 37).
>
> What does this demonstrate?  According to the testimony of WQJ and
> HPB, Judge was a chela trained in certain occult practices.  It is
> also known that HPB made it very clear that no medium would be able to
> contact the dead Madam Blavatsky.  To say that "Judge believed he was
> in communication with the dead HPB" is nonsense.  To say that Judge
> through his occult training was able to contact the living Nirmanakaya
> that informed HPB is plausible.  In principle it would not be
> different than him communicating with M.  There is enough
> circumstantial evidence to make this plausible.  There is no evidence
> to support the innuendo that Judge used mediums or was a medium
> himself, intent on trying to contact HPB.  This has always been simply
> rumor.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bruce
>
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
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> > William Q. Judge Believed He was in Communication 
> > with the dead Madame Blavatsky
> >
> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/stokesjudge1495.htm
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
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