Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00352)

Isn't it clear that the Coulombs forged all their accusations and "proofs" =
against HPB?=20

Why lose time with these people, whom even Daniel does not have the courage=
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Unless Daniel is willing to accept he defends the Coulombs, it is a loss of=
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Best regards,  Carlos.=20




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Data:Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:18:50 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Part 2: Compare and contrast the Coulomb Testimo=
ny with other testimony:

> Let us continue with another simple comparing and contrasting.
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> First, I give below Emma Coulomb's basic explanation for the
> appearances of the Masters:
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> Later] in one of [her good] moods [Madame Blavatsky] called me up=20
> and told me: "See if you can make a head of human size and place=20
> it on that divan," pointing to a sofa in her room, " and merely put=20
> a sheet round it; it would have a magic effect by moonlight." What=20
> can this mean? I wondered. But knowing how disagreeable she could=20
> make herself if she was stroked on the wrong side, I complied with=20
> her wish. She cut a paper pattern of the face I was to make, which=20
> I still have; on this I cut the precious lineaments of the beloved=20
> Master, but, to my shame, I must say that, after all my trouble of=20
> cutting, sewing, and stuffing, Madame said that it looked like an=20
> old Jew---I suppose she meant Shylock. Madame, with a graceful=20
> touch here and there of her painting brush, gave it a little better=20
> appearance. But this was only a head, without bust, and could not=20
> very well be used, so I made a jacket, which I doubled, and between=20
> the two cloths I placed stuffing, to form the shoulders and chest;=20
> the arms were only to the elbow, because, when the thing was tried=20
> on, we found the long arm would be in the way of him who had to=20
> carry it. This beauty finished, made Madame quite another person.=20
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> Let us see for what purpose the doll was made. This was to give a=20
> convincing and material proof of the existence of the brothers [the=20
> Mahatmas], as their (said) invisible presence did not fully satisfy=20
> the truthseekers.=20
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> Among the many apparitions to which this doll has been instrumental,=20
> I will choose one seen by Mr. Ramaswamier, in December, 1881. The=20
> Mahatma he saw in his astral body on the balcony at the head-
> quarters of the Theosophical Society in Bombay, on the memorable=20
> night of December, 1881, was no one else than Monsieur Coulomb, with=20
> the doll's head on his own.=20
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> The doll plays the greatest part in these apparitions, and, as I=20
> have already explained, it is carried on somebody's head; but at=20
> times it is placed on the top of a long bamboo, and raised to show=20
> that it is an astral body; but when the doll has not been at hand,=20
> even a white cloth wrapped round the person who was to perform the=20
> Mahatma was at times used, and answered the purpose.=20
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> Now from Hodgson's account, he writes also about this "dummie" head:
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> I was left without any doubt that the appearances [of the Mahatmas]=20
> might have been well produced by [Monsieur] Coulomb in disguise. I=20
> have seen [Monsieur] Coulomb disguised as a Mahatma, and can=20
> understand that the figure may have been very impressive. A dummy=20
> head (with shoulders), like that of a Hindu, with beard, &c. and=20
> fehta [turban], is worn on the top of the head of the person=20
> disguised. A long flowing muslin garment falls down in front, and=20
> by holding the folds very slightly apart, the wearer is enabled to=20
> see, and to speak also, if necessary. I do not think it in the=20
> least degree likely that any of the witnesses would have penetrated=20
> this disguise had the figure been even much nearer than it was, and=20
> the light much better.=20
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> I cannot regard Colonel Olcott's testimony as of any scientific=20
> value. In particular, his testimony to the alleged "astral"=20
> appearance [of the Mahatma Morya] in New York proves, in my opinion,=20
> no more than that he saw someone in his room, who may have been an=20
> ordinary Hindu, or some other person, disguised, as a Mahatma for=20
> the purpose, and acting for Madame Blavatsky. And the same may be=20
> said of all his testimony to apparitions of Mahatmas.=20
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> I need not here say much on the other alleged appearances of=20
> Mahatmas, in either their ordinary physical or their "astral"=20
> bodies. A confederate in disguise is generally an easy and=20
> sufficient explanation of them.=20
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> Now contrast and compare his explanations with Colonel Olcott's
> testimony some of which can be found at:
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> http://blavatskyarchives.com/olcottandmahatmas.htm
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> And to be more specific, see this account by Olcott:
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> ....On the evening of 4th August [1880], a Mahatma [Master Morya]=20
> visited HPB, and I was called in to see him before he left. He=20
> dictated a long and important letter to an influential friend of=20
> ours at Paris, and gave me important hints about the management of=20
> current [Theosophical] Society affairs.=20
> I was sent away before his visit terminated, and as I left him=20
> sitting in HPB's room, I cannot say whether his departure was a=20
> phenomenal disappearance or not....
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> Now are we to suppose that this Mahatma was Mon. Coulomb with
> dummmie on head?
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> Remember Hodgson said:
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> A long flowing muslin garment falls down in front, and by holding=20
> the folds very slightly apart, the wearer is enabled to see, and to=20
> speak also, if necessary. I do not think it in the least degree=20
> likely that any of the witnesses would have penetrated this disguise=20
> had the figure been even much nearer than it was, and the light much=20
> better.=20
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> Remember the dummie had fake eyes, the mouth would not move when the
> "dummie" talked.....etc. etc.
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> Would Olcott see the obvious especially when he was in the same
> room carrying on a conversation with the Mahatma?
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> Many other observations and points could be made simply by
> contrasting and comparing Coulomb's and Hodgson's account with=20
> Olcott's firsthand testimony not to mention the testimony of other=20
> witnesses.
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> etc. etc.
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> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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