Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00023)

You wrote:

"I did not have any text or book in mind when I wrote my letter. I 
had in mind what I have learned by leaving my physical body by 
internal commands. The higher worlds are best known and explored by 
that method. Leaving the dense body by departing through the breath 
channels with full consciousness and not by falling asleep. Thus can 
we enter the higher worlds."

Are you referring to meditation or out-of-body experience?  I've 
done this many times.

Vince




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, S  F <sven2004@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Dallas
> 
> I did not have any text or book in mind when I wrote my letter. I 
had
> in mind what I have learned by leaving my physical body by internal
> commands. The higher worlds are best known and explored by that
> method. Leaving the dense body by departing through the breath
> channels with full consciousness and not by falling asleep. Thus 
can
> we enter the higher worlds.
> 
> I wrote:
>  >>>
> When the Spirit-Man has freed himself from the Monad then the Monad
> form disintegrates and an Adept has been reborn.
> <<<
> 
> You wrote:
> [What happens to the Monads in their evolution if so abandoned ? Is
> this the spiritual selfishness of those who choose "Liberation ?" 
See
> footnotes in The VOICE OF THE SILENCE pp. 76 - 79 ]
> 
> SF
> The Monads are not abandoned, they have fulfilled their work and 
seek
> their Monad essence and enter upstream with the Torrent of Fire. 
It is
> a misunderstanding to say that Spirit-men can be spiritually 
selfish.
> 
> Sveinn Freyr
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck"
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:22:29 -0800
> Subject: RE: Theos-World Monads and Spirit-Men
> 
> Dear Sveinn:
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> To help me locate what HPB teaches with precision could you let me 
know
> where she actually says the passages I have marked ?  (see marks 
made inside
> your message to me.)
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> ===========================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:06 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Monads and Spirit-Men
> 
> 
> Dear Dallas -
> 
> To begin with I thank you for your many good letters.
> 
> But as it is, there are ideas in your text that puzzle me.
> 
> Let us look at our past this way:
> 
> -SF>>>
> There is a World above the World of Monads, we can call that plane 
the World
> of Pure Spirit.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB       [Does this refer to passages in the SECRET DOCTRINE, 
> I  213 to 222 ?]
> 
> 
>          -----------------     See this  ---------------
> 
> 
>                      7 CLASSES IN SUBJECTIVE SPHERES
> 
>              "(Question:  And for how long? Does this state of 
spiritual
> beatitude endure for years? for decades? for centuries? )
> 
>               Answer:  "For years, decades, centuries and 
millenniums, of ten
> times multiplied by something more.  It all depends upon the 
duration of
> Karma...Every effect must be proportionate to the cause.
> 
> And, as man's terms of incarnate existence bear but a small 
proportion to
> his periods of inter-natal existence in the manvantaric cycle, so 
the good
> thoughts, words, and deeds of any one of these "lives" on a globe 
are
> causative of effects, the working out of which requires far more 
time than
> the evolution of the causes occupied...
> 
> "Between the Kama-Loka and the Rupa-Loka there is a locality, the 
dwelling
> of 'Mara' (Death)...(lokas are not heavens but localities or 
abodes)...Devas
> into two classes--and called them the "Rupa-devas" and the "Arupa-
devas"
> (the "form"--or objective, and the "formless" or subjective Dhyan
> Chohans;...the same for his class of "men,"...All these are:
> 
>       1.   "Rupa-devas" -- Dhyan Chohans, having forms;
> 
>       2.   "Arupa-Devas"     "      "  having no forms;   Ex-men.
> 
>       3.   "Pisachas" -- (two principled) ghosts.  (see p. 110 
described)
> 
>       4.   "Mara-rupas" -- Doomed to death (3 principled).
> 
>       5.   Asuras--Elementals--having human form
> 
>       6.   Beasts--   "     2nd class--animal Elemental    Future 
men.
> 
>       7.   Rakshasas (Demons) Souls or Astral Forms of sorcerers;
> 
> men who have reached the apex of knowledge in the forbidden art.
> Dead or alive they have, so to say cheated nature;  but it is only 
> temporary--until
> our planet goes into obscuration, after which they have nolens 
volens to be
> annihilated.
> 
> It is these seven groups that form the principal divisions of the
> 
>              Dwellers of the subjective world around us."        M 
L p. 107
> 
> =====================================
> 
> -SF>>>
>  From that world powerful Spirit-Men descend in large groups to 
The Monad
> Universe.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Does this refer to passages in the SECRET DOCTRINE,  I  
570 -575 ?]
> 
> ========================
> -SF>>>
> In the Monad Universe they are grouped according to relations in 
isolated
> groups and put into dormancy. In the condition of dormancy they 
are each
> and all given a protecting body of Monad-matter.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Does this refer to SECRET DOCTRINE,  I   632 ? ]
> 
> ===============================
> 
> -SF>>>
> We can see this action of Monad clothing in the descending groups 
of
> Spirit-Men. There we see that there is a wondrous Power that is 
clothing
> each Spirit-Man. And we can also see that the Spirit-Men differ in 
power,
> and experience.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Does this refer to SECRET DOCTRINE  II  p. 596 table ?]
> 
> ================================
> -SF>>>
> When this process of Monad clothing is done then the groups can be
> transferred to the Monad-Wheel.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Where is the Monad Wheel referred to ? ]
> 
> =================================
> -SF>>>
> In the Monad-Wheel the Spirit-Man begins a new cycle of struggle 
and strive
> but the main effort is left to the guiding Monad. We can 
symbolically say
> that the Spirit-Man has entered a period of reincarnation from the 
Plane of
> Pure Spirit to the Monad-Wheel.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Where is this process and the Monad Wheel referred to ? ]
> 
> =======================================
> -SF>>>
> There are energy zones in the Monad-Wheel that will give us much 
to think
> about when the group mind knows more. The zone I have in mind is 
the trouble
> zone often called "The Stream." In that zone the awakening Spirit-
Man is
> seeking to open up the upper part of the Monad.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [Do you mean the difference between Kama-Manas and Buddhi-
Manas ?]
> 
> ====================================
> -SF>>>
> When the Spirit-Man has freed himself from the Monad then the 
Monad form
> disintegrates and an Adept has been reborn.
> <<<
> 
> -DTB   [What happens to the Monads in their evolution if so 
abandoned ?  Is
> this the spiritual selfishness of those who 
choose "Liberation ?"   See
> footnotes in The VOICE OF THE SILENCE pp. 76 - 79 ]
> 
> BEST WISHES,
> 
> DALLAS         3/22/2006 6:19 AM
> --------------------------------------------
> 
>          Sveinn Freyr
> 
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> 
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