Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01639)

VEGETARIANISM AND ETHICS

Dear Friends,

As to vegetarianism, I once had an interesting experience.

I went with a friend of mine, a photographer, to get images from the killing 
of
cows in a slaughterhouse.

The first thing my friend said when we emerged out of the slaughterhouse, 
after seeing and documenting what happened there, was:

"There is no power in the world that can make me repeat this experience".

I use to recomend people to observe the melancholy, the sadness and the 
spiritual intelligence shining in the eyes of a cow after the deathblow, as 
she looks at her own blood getting to the soil.

The "animal magnetism" problem well mentioned by Cass may be a "theoretical" 
thing,  easy to explain away for most of us -- until we  see and experience 
what goes on in a slaughterhouse.

Easy to eat the meat.  Not so easy to kill our brothers and sisters,  the 
animals.

George Bernard Shaw, a vegetarian, once asked:

"Who said that, just because they can't talk, the animals are not 
intelligent?"

Look at their eyes when they are dying and you will see what I mean.

The blame-game against people who eat meat is useless.

But thinking about life and ethics towards animals is within our 
possibilities.

Regards, Carlos.


> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: How to help humanity...and altruism...
> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:27:03 -0800 (PST)
>
> My thoughts on vegetarianism and animal rights are simple.  From a 
> humanitarian point of view it is cruel to kill animals.  From a 
> theosophical perspective, the organs etc of the animals which have been 
> slaughtered carry vibrations seeped in fear.  Our etheric bodies digest 
> these negative fears and keep our lower selves clothed in this course 
> matter.   Most of us are not aware of it, but I believe there have been 
> scientific studies which prove that meat-eaters are far more aggressive 
> than non-meat eaters.
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> Our true spiritual journey begins with purification of all our thoughts, 
> emotions/desires/passions and actions, and the purification of the physical 
> frame. All unpure thoughts, emotions or actions  must be burned  out  if we 
> are too receive the secrets of our divinity.  We must be ubermensch, 
> masters of our own soul, that is the lower triad.  Once we begin to live 
> entirely in the higher self we become perfect vessels for wisdom and 
> helpers of humanity.
>
> The question of vegetarianism then becomes a moot point and a moral 
> imperative.  Some may choose in this lifetime to commence to purify the 
> physical frame, while others choose to purify their thoughts and others 
> choose to commence to purify their desires or passions.   Others may work 
> on one or two at the same time.  The process is long and purifying the 
> physical frame is in fact the easiest of all.  Purifying every thought 
> requires awareness of every thought that passes through the brain.  The 
> road is long and my current maxim is "make me a good boy, but not yet"
>
> When the question of vegetarianism arises the backlash usually addresses 
> HPB's smoking, etc.    My pov is that HPB was the vessel of the masters.  
> The masters vibrations is so pure that they cannot physically stay in our 
> company for too long.  HPB as their vessel was required to remain in our 
> physical environment, in order to do this, she in fact needed to be 
> grounded in a certain amount of gross matter, and this I believe was the 
> reason for her peculiarities.
>
> This is my personal point of view and I wish no harm on others should my 
> understanding be false.
>
> Cass
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> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote: --- In 
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Hauw"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sufi and all,
> >
> > In addition to what you wrote, I would like to share with everyone
> > what I read in "The Extraordinary Life & Influence of Helena
> > Blavatsky" by Silvia Cranston. In it, HPB is said to have written a
> > letter in 1888 that includes the following:
> >
> > "....We are the friends of all those who fight against drunkenness,
> > against cruelty to animals, against injustice to women ....."
> >
> > So I'm somewhat puzzled by some earlier posts in this list that
> mock
> > vegetarianism and animal-rights. Anyone care to comment?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Hauw
> > New student of Theosophy.
>
> Dear Hauw
> In my experience vegetarianism and animal rights can be quite a
> contentious issue, even amongst students of theosophy.
> In genuine Theosophy, all students are free to adopt their own
> lifestyle as they choose, within the bounds of reasonable behaviour.
> Perhaps a raw nerve is touched for some when certain vegetarians in
> either past or present times, imply or have implied, subtly or
> otherwise, that they are somehow more "spiritually advanced" than
> others. This mindset being at total variance to Theosophy might
> generate the mocking from others you mention. However, for your
> information as a "new student", there are literally thousands of
> theosophical students throughout the world who have adopted a
> vegetarian diet with some going to the extent of becoming vegan. We
> can only hope that none of us fall into the superiority fallacy
> mentioned. For me who prefers a vegan diet, that which comes out of a
> person's mouth is perhaps far more important than that which goes
> into it.
> With best regards
> Nigel
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