Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt01260)

M Sufilight-

The reason that I have asked these questions (or any question) is to 
find answers in the context of the other person's perspective.  In 
gaining an understanding of the other person's perspective, then 
perhaps my own perspective may potentially become broadened.  
Whenever I ask a question, I may or may not already have my own 
belief or theory about a matter, but I like to expand my knowledge 
beyond what I already may or may not know.

Thank you so much for answering my questions thus far, and the links 
that you have so graciously provided.  They help direct me to seek 
through the texts that exist.  Sometimes I'm slow on knowing where 
to look textually, so I may ask alot of questions.

Vince

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> One more time. Someone disturbed the Internet and hit the Enter 
key using my 
> name.
> 
> 
> 
> Hallo Vince and all,
> 
> My views are:
> 
> I have been wondering wh you asked those questions.
> To answer your questions, which of course are motivated by 
compassion:
> 
> 1.
> The number was not all in all 64.000. If you read the qoute by 
Blavatsky
> again, i think you will understand this to be true. The number was 
most 
> certainly
> arrived at by just counting how many errors, there actually were.
> If this isn't true, then Blavatsky was not telling the truth.
> What you learn by that, is what you learn.
> 
> 2.
> 
> Vince wrote:
> "And  how precisely is such a thing relevant, as the same errors 
occur in 
> the translation of any text?"
> 
> I am a bit puzzled by that question. Why do you really want to 
know that?
> Allright. I think, that If you read the link to the quoted text by 
Blavatsky 
> in total, you will find out.
> 
> 
> 3. Who Master Morya really is, you will have to experience.
> Anyone emailing about it, will not give you a complete answer as 
the 
> situation is now.
> 
> 
> Well these were just some views and designs.
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Vincent" <vblaz2004@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:56 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Hi there, I'm Vince and I am new to the 
group
> 
> 
> >M Sufilight-
> >
> > Good advice.  No assuming then.  An easy snare to be sure.  And 
all
> > too common when conversations are relegated to mere text, and not
> > conducted face to face where genuine emotions are more visible.
> >
> > I'm curious.  How did Blavatsky arrive at the number 64,000?  And
> > how precisely is such a thing relevant, as the same errors occur 
in
> > the translation of any text?
> >
> > Most Christians specifically assert that the Bible is inerrant 
only
> > in it's original manuscripts (namely the Old Testament Hebrew and
> > New Testament Greek), and that translations outside of the 
original
> > languages are inherently prone to errors.  There is a small 
minority
> > of Christians who assert that the English 1611 King James 
Version is
> > also infallibly translated, but such isn't a very wide view among
> > common Christians of today.
> >
> > And who is Master Morya?  A living teacher or a spirit guide?
> >
> > Vince
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hallo Vince and all,
> >>
> >> My views are:
> >>
> >> Let us not go around - assuming - what views the other emailer 
has
> > here at
> >> Theos-talk.
> >> If you would go back and read some of my earlier emails,
> >> I think we will have to agree, that one could assume, the
> >> same as you did in the below.
> >> I will however encourage you not to assume too much at this 
place.
> >>
> >> But as I have said to others.
> >> I do care, you know...
> >> I will always be there to if possible be of help to you...
> >>
> >> Let us all be happy...
> >>
> >> The 64.000 mistakes was a quote from Blavatsky. Blavatsky
> >> was a founder of the Theosophical Society.
> >> Blavatsky was as you know one of the chelas (theosophical 
pupils)
> > of Master
> >> Morya.
> >>
> >> A drawing of how Morya (or the creature) sometimes looks like is
> > here.
> >> Blavatsky was involved in the drawing, when it took place.
> >> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbphotos14.htm
> >> And this is a - photo - of Damodar Mavalankar, 1884.
> >> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbphotos20.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> from
> >> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Vincent" <vblaz2004@>
> >> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:42 AM
> >> Subject: Theos-World Re: Hi there, I'm Vince and I am new to the
> > group
> >>
> >>
> >> >M Sufilight-
> >> >
> >> > 64,000 mistakes in the Bible?  That sounds a little bit like
> >> > overkill for your stance.  There's only 30,000 verses.  If 
you're
> >> > talking about translational inaccuracies, then such is true 
for
> > any
> >> > language to language translation, sort of like when you 
translate
> >> > english to spanish or vice versa.  You'll have one or two
> >> > translational errors per sentence on a simple restaurant menu 
or
> >> > government sign.  But who cares?  Maybe you don't speak the
> > original
> >> > language.
> >> >
> >> > Now before you start a blood fued with me, please understand
> > that I
> >> > am not one of those fundamentalists who believe that the 
Bible is
> >> > infallible.  I've not thrown any boomerangs at you.  If you 
have
> >> > difficulty with the fact that I read the Bible, or any other
> >> > metaphysical text, then I'll have to leave that on you.
> > Ultimately,
> >> > I prefer to rely on direct supernatural experience versus what
> >> > someone tells me.
> >> >
> >> > Vince
> >> >
> >> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-
> >> > theosophy@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hallo Vincent and all,
> >> >>
> >> >> My views are:
> >> >>
> >> >> This might be helpful in understanding it all much better.
> >> >>
> >> >> The following excerpt from an article by Blavatsky, 1879
> > mentions,
> >> > that
> >> >> there are according to her knowledge more than 64.000 
mistakes
> > in
> >> > the Bible.
> >> >>
> >> >> "NOT A CHRISTIAN"!
> >> >> I have done; adding but one more word of advice to the 
Review.
> > In
> >> > the last
> >> >> quarter of the nineteenth century, when the latest 
international
> >> > revision of
> >> >> the Bible-that infallible and revealed Word of God!-reveals
> > 64,000
> >> >> mistranslations and other mistakes, it is not the 
Theosophists-a
> >> > large
> >> >> number of whose members are English patriots and men of
> > learning-
> >> > but rather
> >> >> the Christians who ought to beware of "wanton aggressiveness"
> >> > against people
> >> >> of other creeds. Their boomerangs may fly back from some
> >> > unexpected parabola
> >> >> and hit the throwers.
> >> >> http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/NotAChristian.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> What the Bible tells us about various persons are not quite 
true
> >> >> according to the real events of the past.
> >> >> Events, which Blavatsky said, that the Seeker after Truth 
might
> >> > learn to
> >> >> read in the
> >> >> Akashic light, (- that is - the non-physical recordings of 
past
> >> > events and
> >> >> other issues.).
> >> >>
> >> >> Just some views.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> from
> >> >> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Vincent" <vblaz2004@>
> >> >> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:15 PM
> >> >> Subject: Theos-World Re: Hi there, I'm Vince and I am new to 
the
> >> > group
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Steve-
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Who specifically are the 'masters' and are they ethical?
> >> >> > The 'masters' that I've found in written texts mostly go 
back
> > to
> >> > the
> >> >> > Bible.  I'm speaking of miracle workers such as Jesus, 
Moses
> > and
> >> >> > Elijah, Peter and Paul.  Some of these are reported as 
having
> >> > raised
> >> >> > the dead or ascending itno heaven themselves.  Metaphysical
> >> > masters.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But were these masters completely ethical?  The miracles of
> > Moses
> >> >> > were mostly of a destructive nature, bringing ten plagues 
on
> > the
> >> >> > Egyptians, and perhaps ten more on his own Israelites.
> > Further,
> >> > he
> >> >> > and his immediate succussor Joshua were propagators of
> > genocide,
> >> >> > exterminating six nationalities from the face of the earth.
> > And
> >> > the
> >> >> > very angels of heaven which backed him, according to 
biblical
> >> >> > testimony, were also quite violent and genocidal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Likewise Elijah, who reportedly ascended directly into 
heaven,
> >> >> > bypassing physical death, also slew people with 
supernatural
> > fire
> >> >> > from the sky.  Despite resurrecting a dead boy, according 
to
> > the
> >> >> > scriptures.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Peter and Paul of the New Testament are also biblically
> > recorded
> >> > as
> >> >> > each having resurrected the dead, and yet enforced harsh
> > cultural
> >> >> > legalisms on women in their day.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What precisely is a 'master' and are 'masters' ethical?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It may even be asserted that the gods of ancient mythology 
may
> >> >> > actually have been immortal beings that once walked the 
earth
> >> > prior
> >> >> > to recorded history as we have it today.  But did these
> >> >> > ancient 'gods' also practice good ethics?  Or were some of
> > them
> >> >> > bloody and violent as well?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now I suppose that there are different types of mastery
> > available
> >> >> > within the human potential, each with their own 
jurisdictional
> >> >> > spheres.  One is a master of accounting, another a master 
at
> >> > sales,
> >> >> > another a master of corporate management, another a master 
of
> >> >> > artistry, literature or dance.  Still others are masters of
> >> > ethics
> >> >> > but not wisdom, psychic mastery but not physical 
athleticism.
> >> >> > Whatever it may be.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So again I ask: what precisely is a 'master'?  And a 
master of
> >> > what?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vince
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey <sallev1@>
> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Vince
> >> >> >>        When you mention "wholistic" regarding the fact 
the TS
> >> >> > includes other works besides HPBs, you raise an interesting
> >> > point.
> >> >> >>       I was originally involved with the TS years ago, 
and I
> >> > felt
> >> >> > as if I had found a mother-lode of metaphysical occult
> >> > literature.
> >> >> > and this is true. Over the years, however, I found my own
> > tastes
> >> >> > changing from an open texture rather undisciplined sense of
> >> > study to
> >> >> > a "way" of my own, and I began to eliminate texts which, to
> > me,
> >> >> > where too indirect regarding the Path of individual work. I
> >> > wanted
> >> >> > to know what I needed to actually do to know Wisdom, which
> > wisdom
> >> >> > was really neccesary for my own "awakening", and most
> >> > importantly-
> >> >> > what are the Masters of Wisdom. I found that some texts 
were
> >> >> > concerned with the fundemental teachings of the ancient
> > wisdom,
> >> >> > without concern for the author, just the learning of the
> >> > student. I
> >> >> > found that many were not and made claims of visions and
> >> > knowledge,
> >> >> > which seemed to me, to jump ahead of what I could verify as
> > real.
> >> >> > So, I kept finding myself going back to the fundemental
> > teachings
> >> >> > regarding the neccesary changes I had to make in me, with
> > which I
> >> >> > would know
> >> >> >>  what is real and what is not. My biggest problem was 
always
> > me
> >> >> > and my  lack of patience. I needed to rid myself of the so-
> > called
> >> >> > normal time sense of people in our time, which prompts us 
to
> >> > quickly
> >> >> > and prematurely aquire powers before we understand what 
power
> >> > is. I
> >> >> > kept finding that some few texts want the student to find 
out
> >> > what a
> >> >> > human being is, the knowledge of which I thought I had, 
being
> >> >> > preumptious and shallow. Which really means, that for a
> > shallow
> >> >> > nature to aquire power would be dangerous.
> >> >> >>        Therefore, I kept finding myself being attracted 
back
> > to
> >> >> > HPB's writings, along with Patanjali, the Dalai Lama, and
> > other
> >> >> > insightful Buddhist thinkers like Santideva, who deal in
> > ethical
> >> >> > growth along side, but actually preceding, the metaphysical
> >> > study,
> >> >> > for the sake of psychological balance. Their motive is
> > service as
> >> >> > the key to finding out who you are and your capacities, 
while
> > an
> >> >> > unbalanced study may still allow for selfishness, and 
misuse
> > of
> >> >> > knowledge.
> >> >> >>        Well, thats the Path of study for me, but it came
> > about
> >> >> > through an open study of pretty much everything.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>   Steve
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Vincent <vblaz2004@> wrote:
> >> >> >>   Steve-
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, my primary intent for recently getting involved
> > with
> >> > the
> >> >> >> Theosophical Society of Wheaton has mostly to do with 
having
> > a
> >> >> > place
> >> >> >> wherein I may freely believe what I already do, and learn 
new
> >> >> > things
> >> >> >> of a metaphysical content as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> When I was formerly involved with Christian fundamentalist
> >> >> > churches,
> >> >> >> I found myself judged and restricted whenever attempting 
to
> >> > bring
> >> >> > up
> >> >> >> metaphysical concepts in open discussion format. I was 
told
> >> > that I
> >> >> >> was not being 'doctrinal', and that my metaphysical
> > experiences
> >> >> >> were 'demonic', insofar as they were not strictly aligned
> > with
> >> >> >> Christian doctrine.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However, my initial impression of the Theosophical 
Society is
> >> > that
> >> >> >> it is accepting of a variety of religious traditions, and 
not
> >> >> > solely
> >> >> >> specific to HPB's writings. It is more wholistic. Please
> > correct
> >> >> >> me if I am wrong on this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Vince
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ah Vince, that's a mighty deep rational you have for 
what
> > you
> >> >> > do.
> >> >> >> Hopefully you will get from us exactly what you aught.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Steve
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Vincent wrote:
> >> >> >> > Steve-
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I appreciate your insight and your suggestion, and I see
> > the
> >> >> > value
> >> >> >> > to it. It's just that at this specific time in my life, 
my
> >> > focus
> >> >> >> > must be a little bit different. In other words, I've
> > already
> >> >> >> poured
> >> >> >> > many thousands of hours into various metaphysical texts
> > over
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > last twenty years, and have therefore arrived at a very
> >> > complex
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> > advanced metaphysical belief system as a result. At this
> >> > time, I
> >> >> >> am
> >> >> >> > undertaking the attempt to write a volume as large as
> > HPB's,
> >> > and
> >> >> >> > therefore cannot dedicate fully researching a brand new
> > text.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I suggest that there exist the roles of teachers whose
> >> > specific
> >> >> >> task
> >> >> >> > is to dispense information to others, if they do not 
have
> > the
> >> >> >> > immediate time and energy to gather it for themselves. 
I'm
> > not
> >> >> >> > saying that direct readings of HPB lack value in any 
way.
> >> > That's
> >> >> >> > just not where I'm at right now.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Currently, I engage in trance conditioning through 
natural
> >> >> >> > physiological disciplines, without the use of chemical
> >> >> > modifiers.
> >> >> >> > This means that I interact directly with spirit 
entities,
> >> > seeing
> >> >> >> > them and hearing them when I enter into trance. And 
this is
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > level from whence my writings will manifest 
inspiration. I
> > am
> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> > curious to see what degree of alignment exists between
> > HPB's
> >> >> >> > writings and my own belief system at this time, so I'd
> > like to
> >> >> >> learn
> >> >> >> > more through those gifted teachers and students of HPB.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Vince
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Vince
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I am aware of how daunting the very thickness of these
> >> >> >> > texts can appear, but I really think that you are doing
> >> > yourself
> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > great disservice, by not doing the study yourself, and
> >> > expecting
> >> >> >> > others to, sort of, hand it to you in some palatable 
form
> >> >> > intended
> >> >> >> > just for you. This is a great deal like going to church 
or
> >> >> > temple
> >> >> >> > and expecting the paid servent on the pulpit to do the 
same
> >> >> > thing.
> >> >> >> > > Now please, don't take this wrong, but an important
> > aspect
> >> >> >> > of the philosophy of becoming a discriminating human 
being
> > and
> >> >> >> > student, is, so that what you find for yourself will be
> >> >> > something
> >> >> >> > you can trust in. "We are all Gods", says the ancient
> > wisdom,
> >> >> >> > or "You too can do what I have done" as Jesus says. In
> > other
> >> >> >> words,
> >> >> >> > we have what we need within us, we just have to flesh it
> > out.
> >> >> > That
> >> >> >> > is the purpose of theosophical thought, not the
> > memorization
> >> > of
> >> >> >> > thick texts. But the study of them, and application of
> > what we
> >> >> > see
> >> >> >> > as true, brings rewards immediately, as the mind wakes 
up
> > to
> >> > its
> >> >> >> own
> >> >> >> > powers of wisdom and discrimination.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Steve
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Vincent wrote:
> >> >> >> > > Steve-
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I'm just trying to understand what I can about 
Theosophy,
> >> >> >> insofar
> >> >> >> > as
> >> >> >> > > it is new to me. HPB's writings are so extensive in 
such
> >> > large
> >> >> >> > > volumes that I'm honestly a little bit daunted as to
> > where
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > begin,
> >> >> >> > > so I'm likely going to be relying on secondary
> > abridgments
> >> > for
> >> >> >> > > awhile. In other words, someone's probably going to 
have
> > to
> >> >> >> teach
> >> >> >> > > it to me in the form of abridged quotes, before I get
> > into
> >> >> >> > extensive
> >> >> >> > > reading of the core volumes.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Christians claim that the Bible contains 'absolute
> > truth',
> >> >> > both
> >> >> >> > > inerrant and infallible. But this then leaves those
> > portions
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > > universal truth concerning which we lack a firm and 
total
> >> >> > grasp.
> >> >> >> > > Namely 'occult' truth, or anything which has not been
> >> > declared
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > > be 'absolute truth' by the Christian community. Hence
> >> >> > universal
> >> >> >> > > truth may potentially be subdivided into categories
> >> >> > of 'absolute
> >> >> >> > > truth' and 'occult truth'. Of course, I don't believe
> > that
> >> > any
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > > us really has a firm grasp on 'absolute truth' in the
> > first
> >> >> >> place,
> >> >> >> > > insofar as our minds are mortal, and we commonly have
> > errors
> >> >> >> > > somewhere in every belief that we hold, whether small 
or
> >> >> > great.
> >> >> >> > > Hence so many different biblical interpretations among
> >> >> >> Christians.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Steven Levey wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Vince-
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Your intution about the reason for the 
term "Secret" in
> >> > The
> >> >> >> > > Secret Doctrine is somewhat correct, but, it is also a
> > bit
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > quick
> >> >> >> > > a judgement. I'm afraid you are going to have to study
> > the
> >> >> >> thing,
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > > get a really good idea about the use of her terms.
> > However,
> >> > in
> >> >> >> > doing
> >> >> >> > > so, I found it wise to read HPB in a thorough way to
> > begin
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > > undestand her motivation. By this I mean, read The 
Key to
> >> >> >> > Theosophy,
> >> >> >> > > and study The Voice of the Silence, as well, or 
something
> >> > like
> >> >> >> > that.
> >> >> >> > > Or, pick up one of her collected writtings of shorter
> >> >> > articles,
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> > > the Panarion. Mostly all of these are available at the
> >> > Public
> >> >> >> > > Library, but definately on-line or in Theosophy 
Lodges of
> >> >> >> > different
> >> >> >> > > types.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Good Searching-Steve
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Vincent Blazina wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > Perry:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Thanks for the welcome. The Jehovah's Witnesses that
> > you
> >> >> > refer
> >> >> >> > > also seem to have some narrow biblical 
interpretations,
> > much
> >> >> >> like
> >> >> >> > > Christian fundamentalists. I'm curious about what 
some of
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > similarities and differences are between the Bible and
> > the
> >> >> >> Secret
> >> >> >> > > Doctrine. Why is the Secret Doctrine considered to be
> >> > secret?
> >> >> >> Does
> >> >> >> > > this simply mean that it is occult (meaning hidden) in
> >> > nature?
> >> >> >> My
> >> >> >> > > own biblical interpretations go very deep for me, and 
are
> >> >> >> anything
> >> >> >> > > but dry, although I view Christian fundamentalists as
> > often
> >> >> >> > shallow
> >> >> >> > > in their own biblical interpretations much of the 
time.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Vince
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > plcoles1
> >> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > Hello Vince,
> >> >> >> > > > Welcome to theos-talk!
> >> >> >> > > > My background was in the Jehovah's Witnesses and so 
as
> > a
> >> >> >> result
> >> >> >> > > had what amounted to at
> >> >> >> > > > least 5 1/2 hours a week of meetings to attend, and 
NO
> >> >> >> > questioning
> >> >> >> > > what you were being
> >> >> >> > > > told.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > The thing I've found with studying theosophy for
> > someone
> >> > who
> >> >> >> has
> >> >> >> > > studied the Bible is
> >> >> >> > > > that theosophy and in particular the Secret Doctrine
> > opens
> >> >> > up
> >> >> >> > many
> >> >> >> > > interesting and
> >> >> >> > > > profound interpretations of passages in the Bible.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > An interesting article written by H.P Blavatsky is 
`The
> >> >> >> Esoteric
> >> >> >> > > character of the Gospels'
> >> >> >> > > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-sio/sio-
> > eso2.htm
> >> >> >> > > > It's a good place to start as the Secret Doctrine 
can
> > be a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > > bit daunting to begin with.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > After only hearing what was to me very empty and dry
> >> >> >> > > interpretations of the Bible,
> >> >> >> > > > theosophy can help you to begin to get some kind of
> >> >> >> > understanding
> >> >> >> > > as to the deeper
> >> >> >> > > > meaning in the bible as well as what other great
> > thinkers,
> >> >> >> sages
> >> >> >> > > and philosophers from
> >> >> >> > > > various traditions have taught on these subjects 
which
> > may
> >> >> >> help
> >> >> >> > > you have some context
> >> >> >> > > > and reference point for your own experiences.
> >> >> >> > > > Very Best Wishes on your Spiritual journey and once
> > again
> >> >> >> > Welcome
> >> >> >> > > to the theos-talk!
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Regards
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Perry
> >> >> >> > > >
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> > wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > > Hi there, I'm Vince and I am new to the group. I 
have
> >> >> >> recently
> >> >> >> > > been
> >> >> >> > > > > attending the Theosophical Society of Wheaton,
> > Illinois
> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > past
> >> >> >> > > > > month, and have been enjoying the various 
teachings
> > and
> >> >> >> > > discussions
> >> >> >> > > > > at that facility.
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > My life has been rich with metaphysical 
experiences,
> > but
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > > > Christian Fundamentalist churches that I had
> > previously
> >> >> >> > attended
> >> >> >> > > for
> >> >> >> > > > > twenty years got very judgmental towards me when I
> > might
> >> >> >> > venture
> >> >> >> > > to
> >> >> >> > > > > reference them. I also began finding many
> >> > inconsistencies
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> > > > > way that many Christians were representing the 
Bible,
> >> > and
> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > > > > questions about Christianity were often deemed
> > dangerous
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > > people's
> >> >> >> > > > > religious faith.
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > I am looking for a place in the Theosophical 
Society
> >> >> > wherein
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> > > may
> >> >> >> > > > > potentially freely discuss metaphysical issues as
> > they
> >> >> >> > directly
> >> >> >> > > > > pertain to my life, with people who are more open 
to
> >> > such
> >> >> >> > > > > discussions. I am very well read with the Bible,
> >> > although
> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > > > > interpretations of it are more metaphysical versus
> >> >> > orthodox.
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > I look forward to constuctive discussion with the
> > people
> >> >> >> here,
> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> > > > > would like to learn more about the Theosophical
> > Society
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > it's
> >> >> >> > > > > perspectives, insofar as many of them are brand 
new
> > to
> >> > me.
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > Thank you,
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > Vince
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