Carlos' confusion and dogma
Mar 18, 2006 08:07 AM
by krsanna
Carlos -- You constantly dwell on dogma glibly passed off as "the
living spirit" and make accusations that others are "jesuitical"
that are nothing more than sheer conjecture. You see one enemy then
the next. You constantly attack others in what you may believe is a
magnetic war.
You are cowardly, Carlos. Claiming to defend HPB in a magnetic war
against jesuitical schemes, you have invested much energy
discrediting Daniel Caldwell based, in part, on YOUR CONFUSION
about IP addresses. You have never had the good conscience to admit
your error. When I showed you that the IP's similar to Daniel
Caldwell's were from the Yahoo server, you threw up your hands with
claims of knowing nothing.
You did not have even the decency to acknowledge that your claims
about Daniel, at least those based on his IP address, may be wrong
Best regards,
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Krsanna,
>
> I will leave your "personal" opinions aside. ( No time for that
right now.)
>
> That which "is not pertinent to what you are discussing" may
be "pertinent
> to what other people are discussing".
>
> Theos-talk offers us a training in mental flexibility and in our
ability to
> "hear" each other.
>
> Even if we do not consciously accept being trained in mental
flexibility
> through dialogue, we may get trained anyway. Life teaches.
>
> Carlos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Adyar's "Irrelevancy" and Earth Axis
> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:27:38 -0000
> >
> >Carlos -- I said an earth axis change is not pertinent to the
> >subcycle I am discussing. You are getting confused. You
sometimes
> >read into posts your own assumptions rather than statements that
are
> >actually made. Bart also does this.
> >
> >Do you want to discuss the regular reversal of the earth's north
and
> >south magnetic poles? HPB discussed that and a model of how that
> >occurs has been recently developed. We can talk about the earth
> >axis change.
> >
> >I have recently discussed the periodic change of tilt in the
planet
> >over 25,920 years. This discussion was on my own list, and many
> >people do not realize that the earth's tilt is not ALWAYS 23.5
> >degrees.
> >
> >Solar activity causes plenty of problems for the military and
> >private satellite communication providers. This is far more
> >relevant to this subcycle and the topic I was discussing.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Krsanna,
> > >
> > > I am surprised to think you are not familiar with the idea
> >of "Earth Axis
> > > Change", even if you are familiar with the cycle debates.
> > >
> > > Its a central concept as we discuss cycle changes among
> >theosophists. This
> > > concept is nearly everywhere in the literature.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: Adyar's "Irrelevancy" and Earth Axis
> > > >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:35:20 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Carlos -- As regards the relevancy of old people, one of best
> > > >friends for 16 years is 92 years old this year. She was born
in
> > > >1914, and I admire her greatly. I once made a special trip
to a
> > > >neighboring state to set up her computer to get her on the
> >internet,
> > > >so we could stay in touch.
> > > >
> > > >Energy and commitment behind words are what make make a
> >difference.
> > > >Without energy and commitment, words are empty symbols.
> > > >
> > > >I have no idea how "verticalization of the Earth Planetary
Axis"
> >is
> > > >pertinent to my comments. This looks like a new idea that
you are
> > > >introducing. The only context in which I have ever discussed
the
> > > >earth's vertical axis is that the tilt of the planet varies
by at
> > > >least 5 degrees over long periods of time. As regards
> > > >communications systems, during the last solar maximum, I
forecast,
> > > >in advance of the events, several 13-day windows in which
> >satellite
> > > >and computer communications would likely be affected by solar
> >flares
> > > >and coronal mass ejections. By the way, my forecasts were
> >accurate
> > > >on on several occasions.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Krsanna
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso
aveline"
> > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Krsanna,
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Everything which has a heart is relevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Irrelevancy is in the eye of the beholder.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Physical plane groups of people are not only physical
plane.
> > > >Real people
> > > > > interact in all of their seven principles, and "it takes
seven
> > > >principles to
> > > > > have a human being". At the Internet, you have a
restriction,
> >a
> > > >certain
> > > > > lack of commitment, while you also have important
advantages,
> >of
> > > >course.
> > > > > That's the relevance not only of Adyar, but every
theosophical
> > > >group, lodge
> > > > > or institution, from Adyar through Tacoma Lodge (until
> >recently,
> > > >part of
> > > > > Adyar).
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Old people are relevant, too, as you will see when you
are
> >in
> > > >your 70s
> > > > > and 80s.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) On the other hand, you must know the limitations of
> >Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6) Its isolation of individuals and its stimulation to wild
> > > >individualism is
> > > > > useful to dominant powers pre-empt political changes
nowadays,
> >and
> > > >to
> > > > > de-politicize citizens.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7) Finally, have you thought about the consequences which
a
> > > >sudden
> > > > > verticalization of the Earth Planetary Axis would have on
the
> > > >satelite
> > > > > communications such as Internet and the like? The process
from
> > > >here to 2022
> > > > > may not be entirely lineal and "under control", as the USA
> >State
> > > > > Derpartment well knows.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Adyar's irrelevancy
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:34:16 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carlos -- It is true, as you say, ultimately, "there is no
> > > > > >real "separation" between Adyar and non-Adyar
> >groups/institutions
> > > >at
> > > > > >the inner level." This does not account for the
demographics
> >of
> > > > > >Theosophists when viewed as organizations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >A Young Theosophists is defined as someone under the age
of
> >35.
> > > >I'd
> > > > > >like to hear back from others as to the percentage of
Young
> > > > > >Theosophists in their organizations. One of our members
was
> >30
> > > >when
> > > > > >we started our study group in 2004, and was shocked to
get an
> > > > > >invitation to join the Young Theosophists.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"These guys think I'm young?" A Theosophist born in 1976
is
> >now
> > > >30
> > > > > >years old and grew up with computer games, "Star Wars,"
and
> >UFO
> > > > > >reports on television. Experienced (matured) Theosophists
> >are a
> > > > > >different culture than the "experienced" or mature
> >Theosophists
> > > >over
> > > > > >the age of 65.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >While the mature Theosophists are one on the inner level
with
> >the
> > > > > >younger generation, the older ones will disappear a lot
> >sooner and
> > > > > >leave the existing Young Theosophists -- however few there
> >are --
> > > >to
> > > > > >carry on the work. My Young Theosophist in Missoula
> >suggested to
> > > > > >our study group that we create a web site that will speak
in
> >the
> > > > > >terms of people his age.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >He loves HPB too, but he wants to animate the images she
> >describes
> > > > > >in the Proem and Stanzas for a web site we are making. He
> >grew up
> > > > > >with the internet and regularly participates in "nerd
fests"
> >where
> > > > > >his friends get together and play computer games. He
lives in
> > > > > >culturally different terms than many older Theosophists.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The internet by itself has done much to make Adyar
irrelevant.
> > > >I'm
> > > > > >more interested in the terms of the Young Theosophists
that I
> >am
> > > >in
> > > > > >trying to rescue the elder generation. The older
generation
> >will
> > > > > >disappear and return to seek truth in new cultural terms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The National Lodge at Wheaton started its FIRST internet
list
> > > >about
> > > > > >2 years ago with the question, "Should Christianity be
> >saved?" It
> > > > > >was based on an article explaining that many people,
including
> > > > > >merchants, are shying away from the word, "Christmas,"
and,
> > > >instead,
> > > > > >tend to use the term "Holiday."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This is a sign of changing times that many eagerly
> >anticipate. It
> > > > > >is for this reason that I say Adyar is irrelevant. The
> >market for
> > > > > >what Adyar's offering is disappearing. The world has
changed
> >and
> > > > > >many (older) Theosophists are not changing rapidly enough
to
> >keep
> > > > > >pace.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >A new generation will take the helm, possibly in an
internet
> > > > > >environment, and change the way Theosophy is addressed in
the
> > > > > >culture. I'm looking forward to it. Animations of the
Proem
> >will
> > > > > >be fun.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > theosophists in general and humanity, too. The
Pasadena
> > > >Society,
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > Edmonton Theos. Society, the ULT, Adyar TS, other
smaller
> > > >groups,
> > > > > >all are
> > > > > > > relevant and each can make a difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso
> >aveline"
> > > > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Krsanna,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) Adyar may be irrelevant from one viewpoint, but
perhaps
> >more
> > > > > >than 80
> > > > > > > percent of theosophists world wide belong to it and
asre
> >more
> > > >or
> > > > > >less
> > > > > > > trapped. "Souls are at stake", as one Master wrote in a
> >Letter.
> > > > > >Souls, in a
> > > > > > > way, are far from irrelevant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) The non-Adyar groups and institutions are far from
being
> > > > > > > above-imperfections, and many of the Adyar mistakes
can be
> > > >found
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > non-Adyar groups, even if a smaller degree.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) This happens because there is no real "separation"
> >betwwen
> > > > > >Adyar and
> > > > > > > non-Adyar groups/institutions at the inner level ---
we are
> > > >all in
> > > > > >the same
> > > > > > > boat, theosophists in general and humanity, too. The
> >Pasadena
> > > > > >Society, the
> > > > > > > Edmonton Theos. Society, the ULT, Adyar TS, other
smaller
> > > >groups,
> > > > > >all are
> > > > > > > relevant and each can make a difference. I hope you
agree
> >with
> > > > > >that.
> > > > > > > Universal Brotherhood is the link between us and the
Adyar
> >TS.
> > > >If
> > > > > >we are
> > > > > > > solidary with the Tacoma TS, that is because TSA in
> >relevant.
> > > >Each
> > > > > >Lodge
> > > > > > > counts. Each person, each soul, each Higher Manas is
> >relevant,
> > > >in
> > > > > >a way,
> > > > > > > which does not mean you are "wrong" in what you wrote -
- I
> >am
> > > >just
> > > > > >bringing
> > > > > > > a complementary view of things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) Can you quote from the Bowen Notes on the brain?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: To Krsanna: On Seeking Truth
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:43:48 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Carlos -- A number of HPB's comments -- and the Bowen
> >Notes --
> > > > > > > >regarding the brain are consistent with the research
on
> >the
> > > >brain
> > > > > > > >that's been done only in recent decades. A very
different
> > > >model
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >the brain was in place in the 19th century. I wrote
> >about a
> > > > > > > >fantastic book by UCLA research psychiatrist, Jeffrey
> > > >Schwartz,
> > > > > > > >entitled, "The Mind & The Brain" in the last few
weeks.
> > > >Schwartz
> > > > > > > >has applied Buddhist techniques to research that
hadn't
> >even
> > > > > >started
> > > > > > > >until the 1960's and gets good results.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Several things I've learned about optimum use of the
body
> > > >coincide
> > > > > > > >very well with HPB's knowledge, such as her
discussion of
> >the
> > > > > > > >brain. The "Bowen Notes" mention that "every
conscious
> >mental
> > > > > > > >picture formed means change and destruction of the
atoms
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >brain" is a match with recent research. This
principle
> >is now
> > > > > >used
> > > > > > > >in rehabilitation for stroke victims.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I do not assume that everything coming from Adyar is
> >false;
> > > >more
> > > > > > > >correctly, Adyar is increasing irrelevant. Adyar
hitched
> >its
> > > > > >wagon
> > > > > > > >to a paternalistic 19th century mindset that elected
to
> > > >undermine
> > > > > > > >HPB for the sake of propriety. The world has outgrown
> >Adyar
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >what's left of greatest value is HPB's work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline
cardoso
> > > >aveline"
> > > > > > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dear Krsanna,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) Most of HPB's Esoteric Teachings, that is, her
> > > >teachings to
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >Esoteric
> > > > > > > > > School, have been published already by Boris de
> >Zirkoff in
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >volume XII of
> > > > > > > > > her "Collected Writings".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Before that, they had been published with some
small
> > > >changes in
> > > > > > > >the Annie
> > > > > > > > > Besant's version of the "Secrec Doctrine", by 1897.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (For that, Besant broke her own personal vows of
> > > >secrecy!!!)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since then, Adyar ES uses much more CWL's, Annie
> >Besant's
> > > >and
> > > > > >C.
> > > > > > > > > JInarajadasa's texts then texts by HPB -- its
founder!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) HPB's oral teachings to the very Inner Group of
the
> > > >Esoteric
> > > > > > > >School have
> > > > > > > > > also been published, by "Point Loma Publications",
San
> > > >Dioego,
> > > > > >CA,
> > > > > > > >1985.
> > > > > > > > > First edition, 1985, better than the second one.
> > > >(Title: "The
> > > > > > > >Inner Group
> > > > > > > > > Teachings".)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3) We are dealing with human beings. Perhaps the
same
> > > >persons
> > > > > >who
> > > > > > > >seem to
> > > > > > > > > doubt the authenticity of the Bowen Notes are
among the
> > > >brave
> > > > > > > >souls who
> > > > > > > > > preserved HPB's main teachings up to our time.
Perhaps
> > > >they are
> > > > > > > >right in
> > > > > > > > > doubting it. If not, we should take into
consideration
> >that
> > > > > >while
> > > > > > > >working
> > > > > > > > > under consistent currents of attack and slander,
many
> > > >people
> > > > > >will
> > > > > > > >develop
> > > > > > > > > psychological defense-mechanisms. One of such
possible
> > > > > >defense-
> > > > > > > >mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > may be the strong feeling that "everything coming
from
> > > >Adyar
> > > > > >is,
> > > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > > principle, FALSE". There are delicate magnetic
issue
> > > >related
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >this, too.
> > > > > > > > > Because "everything coming from Adyar has indeed
> > > >something of
> > > > > > > >Adyar's
> > > > > > > > > magnetism" -- as I believe.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > These points are very brief --- I apologize for
the
> > > > > >telegraphic
> > > > > > > >style...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But-- may the dialogue go on!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (My main point as to the Bowen Notes is that their
> >content
> > > >is
> > > > > > > >consistent
> > > > > > > > > with HPB's teachings. The same as to the 1900
Letter --
> > > >but I
> > > > > >only
> > > > > > > >say that
> > > > > > > > > because I count on the generosity of those brave
and
> >loyal
> > > > > >souls
> > > > > > > >who may
> > > > > > > > > disagree from my view. I would never "fight" over
> >this.
> > > >Only -
> > > > > >-
> > > > > > > >sincere and
> > > > > > > > > honest diversity of views enriches the movement...
> >and it
> > > > > > > >exercises our
> > > > > > > > > mutual tolerance and modesty. We are all but
students
> >in
> > > >their
> > > > > > > >search, and
> > > > > > > > > helping each other with their views!)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:13:12 -0000
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >It is unfortunate for modern students that HPB
did not
> > > >reveal
> > > > > > > > > >informatmion given to her Esoteric Section, on
whom
> >she
> > > > > >relied to
> > > > > > > > > >guide the TS, to Theosophists at large. Bowen
was a
> > > >member
> > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > > >Esoteric Section and was with HPB during the last
> >weeks
> > > >of her
> > > > > > > >life.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >How would Theosophists know what HPB was teaching
the
> > > >Esoteric
> > > > > > > > > >Section, since their literature was not made
public?
> > > >Bowen
> > > > > > > > > >mentioned HPB's sense of urgency in teaching the
> >Esoteric
> > > > > >Section
> > > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > > >her last weeks, and a sense of urgency is
conveyed in
> >the
> > > > > > > > > >letter, "Why I Do Not Return To India."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >After sending the letter to India to be
distributed
> >among
> > > > > > > > > >Indians, "for some reason," it was not
distributed by
> > > >Olcott
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > >other leaders of the Indian Section. This is
> >certainly a
> > > > > >measure
> > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > >the opposition in India to Theosophy as HPB
taught it.
> > > > > >Bowen, as
> > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > >member of the Esoteric Section with Blavatsky in
the
> >last
> > > > > >weeks of
> > > > > > > > > >her life, was in a better position to know what
she
> > > >taught the
> > > > > > > > > >Esoteric Section that was not available to other
> > > >Theosophists.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Carlos, who are these people that are willing to
> >accept as
> > > > > >fact
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >whispers of a cabal who opposed HPB and deny the
> > > >testimony of
> > > > > > > > > >trusted students who stayed with her in the
Esoteric
> > > >Section
> > > > > >until
> > > > > > > > > >the end? What was the motive of those in India
that
> > > >failed to
> > > > > > > > > >distribute her letter to Theosophists in India?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >The "take-over" of Blavatsky's Theosophical
Society in
> > > >India
> > > > > >was
> > > > > > > >all
> > > > > > > > > >but complete one year before her death. The
persons
> > > >present
> > > > > > > > > >throughout the dismissal of Blavatsky's
importance to
> > > > > >Theosophy
> > > > > > > >were
> > > > > > > > > >Olcott and Besant.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Olcott is the overlooked figure that was
continuously
> > > > > >involved in
> > > > > > > > > >efforts to undermine HPB's authority, working as
he
> >did
> > > >as a
> > > > > >jolly
> > > > > > > > > >good fellow to keep the opposition against HPB off
> >his own
> > > > > >back.
> > > > > > > > > >Olcott worked to protect his own rear. The
success
> >of his
> > > > > > > > > >socialable betrayal is seen today in the
> >organizations he
> > > >left
> > > > > > > > > >behind, which includes the American Section
created
> >after
> > > > > >HPB's
> > > > > > > > > >death.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline
> >cardoso
> > > > > >aveline"
> > > > > > > > > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krsanna,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I also have a general, unfortunately vague
> >recollection
> > > > > >that
> > > > > > > >there
> > > > > > > > > >are
> > > > > > > > > > > dedicated HPB students who doubt not only the
> > > >authenticity
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >Bowen
> > > > > > > > > > > Notes, but also the authenticity of her
Diagram of
> > > > > >Meditation.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yet this is not a big deal. Examining both
texts we
> > > >will
> > > > > >see
> > > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > > >are
> > > > > > > > > > > consistent with H.P.B.'s writings.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Bowen Notes but stress and underline some
basic
> > > >points
> > > > > >she
> > > > > > > >had
> > > > > > > > > >made in
> > > > > > > > > > > several places, the Three Fundamental
Propositions
> > > >above
> > > > > >all.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would say the same as to the 1900 Letter,
which
> >is
> > > >rather
> > > > > > > > > >similar to the
> > > > > > > > > > > so-called and fundamental "Letter from the
Maha-
> > > >Chohan"
> > > > > >(in
> > > > > > > >fact
> > > > > > > > > >it is but
> > > > > > > > > > > a report on the Maha-Chohan's view of the TS).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And the 1900 Letter also anticipates all the
> >mistakes
> > > >A.
> > > > > >Besant
> > > > > > > > > >would do in
> > > > > > > > > > > the following 33 years: that why its main
sentences
> > > >were
> > > > > >kept
> > > > > > > > > >hidden and
> > > > > > > > > > > censored by A. Besant, C. Jinarajadasa and
their
> > > > > >successors.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I guess the tendency to reject there three
> >documents
> > > >may be
> > > > > > > > > >associated to a
> > > > > > > > > > > feeling that "everything which comes from Adyar
> >is, in
> > > > > > > >principle,
> > > > > > > > > >false".
> > > > > > > > > > > There are strong reasons for such a feeling,
of
> > > >course,
> > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > > >whenever
> > > > > > > > > > > possible things should be examined case-by-
case and
> > > > > >CONTENTS of
> > > > > > > > > >documents
> > > > > > > > > > > should be evaluated to see if they are
consistent
> >or
> > > >not
> > > > > >with
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > HPB/Masters teaching.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that the origin these
documents is
> > > > > > > >authentic; I
> > > > > > > > > >am saying
> > > > > > > > > > > that their content is consistent with their
being
> > > >possibly
> > > > > > > > > >authentic. And
> > > > > > > > > > > the content, and the usefulness of things, is
> >often
> > > >more
> > > > > > > > > >important than
> > > > > > > > > > > their outward form or origin.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: "krsanna" <timestar@>
> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:16:20 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Bart -- I'm surprised that you would settle
for
> > > >casting
> > > > > >doubt
> > > > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > > > > >not proving. Let me know when you find
something
> > > > > >definitive.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart
Lidofsky
> > > ><bartl@>
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah! I found what I was looking for.
It was
> > > >more
> > > > > > > >casting
> > > > > > > > > > > >doubt than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > proving false, but here's an indirect ref:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theos-
> > > > > > > >talk.com/archives/200306/tt00137.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right; I was hoping that
> >somebody
> > > > > >here might
> > > > > > > > > >know
> > > > > > > > > > > >more about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. I will find out for sure tomorrow,
> >however.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > krsanna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Bart -- Can you provide an authority for
that
> > > > > > > >citation. "I
> > > > > > > > > > > >heard...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>[somewhere, sometimes]" doesn't do you
> >justice.
> > > >I'm
> > > > > > > >sure you
> > > > > > > > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>come up with something better than that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart
> >Lidofsky
> > > > > ><bartl@>
> > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>krsanna wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Cass -- I posted the "Bowen Notes"
taken
> >from
> > > > > >meetings
> > > > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > > >HPB
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>shortly before her death. Best
regards,
> > > >Krsanna
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I thought I heard something about
> >the Bowen
> > > > > >Notes
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Bart
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