Re: To Jerry, on Pseudo Scholars
Mar 15, 2006 06:23 PM
by krsanna
I hope it's okay to interject into this discussion information about
the mountain range that extends from Iceland in the north southerly
through the mid-Atlantic. I've found some great Soviet research in
that identifies between Iceland and the Canary Islands a land mass
with fresh water vegetation carbon dated to about 10,000 BCE. This
book was first printed in Moscow in 1970. Further, the Soviets
found identical rock "DNA" in the sunken area as that found in
Iceland.
The Soviet theory of continental formation was very different than
the American theory of continental drift. (Perhaps some of the
Russian members can provide more information on this.) The Soviet
theory involved a metamorphosis of elements and believed that
something as large as a continent "drifting" would leave marks of
some kind. (It makes sense to me.) I'm not convinced that drift
adequately explains the phenomena of continental drift. Research on
continental formation currently in process in the U.S. may still
rewrite text books.
As a Soviet publication, the book was never published in the U.S. I
found it by searching on the internet: "Atlantis," by N.F. Zhirov.
Soviet sciences were more open than America's, because they didn't
have to seek approval of Christian voters. The result if that
Americans conducted much research under cover of secret projects,
such as experiments with psychics and psychic warfare. Uri Geller
writes about some of his experiences with American research into
psychism.
Best regards,
Krsanna
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Cass,
>
> OK, now I understand what you are saying. Yes, I agree that there
are
> things HPB wrote that have become verified. One of the most
> extraordinary passages in the SD is about a mid-Atlantic mountain
range
> that begins at Iceland, moves southwards, curves around Africa and
ends
> at India. At the time, it was known that there was a mid-Atlantic
rise
> in elevation, but not that was a mountain range. Possibly someone
could
> have speculated that the rise could be mountain range. But there
was no
> evidence one way of the other. Sometime early in the early 1900s
they
> figured out that it was probably a mountain range, but they did
not know
> how it ran. The fact that it runs the length of the Atlantic and
curves
> around Africa was not discovered until 1957!
>
> On the other hand, you might look at D.D. Kanga's "Where Theosophy
and
> Science Meet" (written in 1938). Kanga tried to interpret the SD
> according to the then current science and ended up making a lot of
> misreadings. I also have a tape here of a talk that Fritz Kunz
gave in
> 1964, when the "Continental Drift" notion was first becoming
seriously
> considered in this country. Fritz remarked that if Continental
Drift
> proves to be correct, "then we may as well throw out the Secret
> Doctrine." I can read the SD today and spot numerous statements
which,
> to my understanding, are supportive of Continental Drift. But
during
> Kanga's time when the idea was all but unknown no one, that I am
aware,
> understood those passages in that way.
>
> This leads me to wonder all the more about the special nature of
the SD,
> its writer and her teachers. It makes the book all the more
exciting.
>
> Best
> Jerry
>
>
>
> > Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> >What is important for me is the information and not where or who
the information came from. Much of it is now starting to be
verified by the sciences. Those ideas that were once thought of as
Mumbo Jumbo have and will continue to become fact.
> >
>
>
>
>
> Cass Silva wrote:
>
> >What is important for me is the information and not where or who
the information came from. Much of it is now starting to be
verified by the sciences. Those ideas that were once thought of as
Mumbo Jumbo have and will continue to become fact.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Cass
> >Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...> wrote: Dear Cass,
> >
> >
> >
> >>Let us say, for argument's sake, that HPB, had reasons unknown
to us, but obviously affirmed by the Masters, to preserve their
identity and whereabouts as "persona non gratis",while at the same
time needing to acknowledge that the universal wisdom was directed
and dictated by those same beings. What a task for anyone!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >That appears to be just the case, in my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Has any scholar of theosophy discovered a "lie" within the works
given to the world, i.e. Isis and SD?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >There is a lot of controversy about the accuracy and source of
HPB's
> >information. That is to be expected.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Isn't this the cogent point?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Why?
> >
> >
> >
> >>AS far as the bun fight over Tacoma etc, my humble and non
scholastic attitude is that the Poparisation of the TS is continuing
and will polarise the society out of credible existence, as is the
case in the rise and fall of the catholic church.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >The way I like to express it is that the Theosophical
Organizations are
> >bound hand and foot by their own karma. I see the polarization
as the
> >outcome of that karma.
> >
> >Best,
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cass Silva wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Let us say, for argument's sake, that HPB, had reasons unknown
to us, but obviously affirmed by the Masters, to preserve their
identity and whereabouts as "persona non gratis", while at the
same time needing to acknowledge that the universal wisdom was
directed and dictated by those same beings. What a task for anyone!
> >>
> >>Has any scholar of theosophy discovered a "lie" within the works
given to the world, i.e. Isis and SD?
> >>
> >>Isn't this the cogent point?
> >>
> >>AS far as the bun fight over Tacoma etc, my humble and non
scholastic attitude is that the Poparisation of the TS is continuing
and will polarise the society out of credible existence, as is the
case in the rise and fall of the catholic church.
> >>
> >>No matter, the horse has already bolted, and the rider free at
last from all the petty struggles brought about my men who may
believe their crusade is based on moral integrity, laughable.
> >>
> >>Christianity has been arguing for 2000 years about its claim as
the one true religion, so those in what they consider powerful
positions will be kept employed for many years to come, kicking up
the dust.
> >>
> >>
> >>Cass
> >>
> >>carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >>Jerry,
> >>
> >>Thanks for you interesting posting.
> >>
> >>You say:
> >>
> >>"I expected in your reply below to either supply quotes where
Paul did
> >>indeed make such statements, and/or to comment upon my
discourse. Instead,
> >>you come up with a quote where
> >>Paul uses the word "charlatans" in connection to HPB and
Gurdjieff. Now,
> >>liar and charlatan are two very different words with different
meanings."
> >>
> >>I say:
> >>
> >>My point, Jerry, is that Paul Johnson says that HPB lies or is
a charlatan.
> >>The two words are applied to false persons. If you believe
charlatans do
> >>not lie, well, my friend! It sounds like that difference
between "innocent"
> >>and "not guilty". (By the way, Brazilian tribunals use the
word "innocent"
> >>instead of "not guilty").
> >>
> >>The issue is that Paul says, implies and suggests that HPB was
not truthful
> >>or reliable. We may all use the words we prefer for that. There
are plenty
> >>of them. The meaning is the same, though.
> >>
> >>Besides, my point is NOT that Paul openly and firmly states HPB
is a fraud.
> >>He follows Algeo's line. He suggests this is "a possibility
among others".
> >>
> >>This kind of action is one of the most efficient forms of
active slander.
> >>This is a form of slander in which the slander tries to avoid
being caught
> >>as such. This has been used in Adyar TS since the false
accusations
> >>against Judge in the 1890s.
> >>
> >>When asked to clarify his position with regard to HPB's honesty
(which
> >>should be no big deal!), Paul, the Historian, refuses to to
so, and gets
> >>away from the debate, using the mask of a person with
offended
> >>sensitivities.
> >>
> >>Is this emotionalistic show a "scholarly attitude"? Not at all.
> >>
> >>It is well-known, Jerry, that authentic scholars and
researchers do NOT
> >>get away when their thesis are confronted.
> >>
> >>Just the opposite. They take every opportunity to clarify their
facts, to
> >>defend and to IMPROVE their viewpoints.
> >>
> >>Only historians who are benefitting from authoritarian political
structures
> >>will get nervous and bitter and reject clarifying their views.
Now, Adyar
> >>TS structure, as you may know, is not too open-minded...
> >>
> >>So this is the kind of "Historian" some Adyar leaders (not Ms.
Radha
> >>Burnier) need, in order to avoid facing the consequences of
Leadbeater's
> >>biography written by Gregory Tillett -- and other publications
which show
> >>20th century pseudo-theosophy as it is.
> >>
> >>Radha Burnier runs an authoritarian structure, to my view --
yes.
> >>
> >>But she clearly disapproves the gossiping/libeling policy about
HPB, and
> >>she will never -- as long as I know -- defend CW Leadbeater's
clairvoyance
> >>and fancies. I hope you understand I am looking at the
context, in order
> >>to understand the specific facts.
> >>
> >>I am sorry if I did not discuss every point in your message
below. I hope I
> >>addressed the main issues, though. Let me know if I did not.
> >>
> >>Thank you very much for your openess of mind.
> >>
> >>
> >>Best regards, Carlos.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> >>>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: Theos-World To Carlos Cardoso Aveline--some thoughts
and a reply
> >>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:01:10 -0800
> >>>
> >>>Dear Carlos,
> >>>
> >>>I changed your subject heading out of respect for Paul, who has
stated
> >>>on several occasions that he does not like his name displayed
in subject
> >>>headings. It is just a matter of respecting the preferences of
> >>>others. I replaced the heading with your name, which, of
course, you
> >>>are free and welcome to change.
> >>>
> >>>Because of my busy schedule, I have become more selective
concerning
> >>>which postings I read and which I reply to. I try to reply to
those
> >>>posts which I feel that I can make a constructive contribution
to the
> >>>writer and/or interested readers. To properly do this, I have
to take
> >>>the time to read (sometimes several times) the post, consider
what they
> >>>are saying (and implying), and then formulate an answer which I
hope
> >>>will move the topic along. This takes time. But I believe that
these
> >>>kind of posts raises the overall quality of a discussion board
and is
> >>>helpful to others. On the other hand, to argue for the sake of
argument
> >>>is, for me, a waste of energy and time. It is my hope that my
> >>>correspondents take the same time and consideration to reply to
my
> >>>messages to them. Now, regarding our discussion.
> >>>
> >>>My last response to you was concerning your statement that Paul
wrote
> >>>that HPB "lied." Here again is the statement you made, which I
replied:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>When Paul Johnson writes that she lied, or implies that she
lied, that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>she was a Spy, etc. (which she denied vehemently and
unendingly) he is
> >>>saying that her philosophy is the philosophy of a liar, the
philosophy of a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>fraudulent woman.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>I replied that I did not recall Paul writing that HPB lied. I
then went
> >>>into a carefully considered discourse about HPB's style of
communication
> >>>and how it is so often misunderstood. I expected in your reply
below to
> >>>either supply quotes where Paul did indeed make such
statements, and/or
> >>>to comment upon my discourse. Instead, you come up with a quote
where
> >>>Paul uses the word "charlatans" in connection to HPB and
Gurdjieff.
> >>>Now, liar and charlatan are two very different words with
different
> >>>meanings. My Webster's Dictionary defines the word in
part: "one who
> >>>prates much in his own favor, and makes unwarranted
pretensions..."
> >>>This definition seems to fit well the quote you gave me below.
It does
> >>>not necessarily imply lying, but only self-promotion. At any
rate, this
> >>>is an entirely different discussion. If this is your method of
> >>>discussion, that is, shifting the terms of the discussion with
new
> >>>arguments instead of responding to my discourse, then I must
reply by
> >>>saying that I frankly cannot afford the time, nor do I have an
> >>>inclination to play this kind of game. With this said, I will
assume
> >>>that you misunderstood and will more carefully re-read my last.
In the
> >>>mean time, I will respond to your statements below:
> >>>
> >>>I re-read the 1987 Theosophical History Pamphlet and noted the
quotes
> >>>given below. Your sentence fragment "had fraudulent aspects"
Appears
> >>>once on page three. In context, the quote reads:
> >>>
> >>>"The Sufi doctrine of instrumental teaching demonstrates a
possible
> >>>explanation of the apparently 'outrageous' and 'fraudulent"
aspects of
> >>>H.P.B. and Gurdjieff." He then goes on to explain what the Sufi
doctrine
> >>>of instrumental teaching is. Note that Paul had
put "outrageous" and
> >>>"fraudulent" in quotes. That means that he is quoting someone
elses'
> >>>use of the terms. Also, the qualifier "apparently" indicates
that
> >>>whoever he is quoting, is not saying that aspects of H.P.B.'s
and
> >>>Gurdjieff's methods appear to be fraudulent. Also, the main
sense of
> >>>the paragraph, if you read it in its entirety, is to explain the
> >>>doctrine of instrumental teaching, which Paul is suggesting
that H.P.B.
> >>>and Gurdjieff may have employed. If they did, then that would
mean that
> >>>what appears to be outrageous and fraudulent is not so after
all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The quote you cite on page seven is part of Paul's concluding
> >>>paragraphs. Here, he is naming several possible conclusions
one can
> >>>make about H.P.B. and Gurdjieff. To paraphrase the ideas: 1)
that Both
> >>>may have been Charlatans with Gurdjieff exploiting what HPB
> >>>accomplished. 2) That H.P.B. was genuine and Gurdjieff not. 3)
That
> >>>Gurdjieff was sent to correct mistakes H.P.B. made 4) Both
H.P.B. and
> >>>Gurdjieff were genuine. Paul does not, in his conclusion offer
an
> >>>opinion as to which, if any of those possibilities are correct.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>2) Besides, I friendly challenge you to extract from Johnson
any clear
> >>>>declaration that he does NOT consider HPB a fraud, and that he
considers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>her
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>as a sincere, honest, decent woman, author and teacher. He
uses the same
> >>>>"maybe" tactics as Algeo and others, in the way he slanders
HPB. All his
> >>>>books use that strategy. As he wants to sell his books, he
will most
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>likely
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>NOT contradict himself in that. (In his "approach", Paul
ignores the 1986
> >>>>declaration of the SPR, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Carlos, you have to keep in mind that this article was
submitted as a
> >>>scholarly paper. What you want Paul to write is an Hagiography
or an
> >>>Apologia. Those kinds of discourse are not suitable for
scholarly
> >>>writing. I can say that I have known Paul since 1984 and know
for a
> >>>fact that he does indeed admire HPB.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>3) Of course, Esoteric Philosophy cannot be understood at the
level of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>outer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>appearances ("face value"). True. Esoteric Philosophy deals
with the
> >>>>occult, or essential aspects of life, which are "invisible to
the eyes"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>(to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>use St. Exupery's expression). Yet they are invisible NOT
because they
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>false, as illustrated-ignorants like Paul Johnson and John
Algeo will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>say.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think that we all are ignorant at different levels. Yet for
one
> >>>person to call another ignorant, reeks of arrogance to my nose.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>See the 'Doctrine
> >>>>of the Eye' versus the 'Doctrine of the Heart' in "The Voice
of the
> >>>>Silence".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I have been studying HPB's writings for 43 years and teaching
them for
> >>>almost thirty years. I think I understand to eye and heart
doctrines
> >>>well enough.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>g a4) As to HPB bein fraud or semi-fraud, it is enough to see
her astral
> >>>>chart. She was a Leo in the sun sign. Is Leo a sign for fraud
or lies?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>No.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Benito Mussolini was born July 29, 18883. That makes him a Leo
too.
> >>>What do you think of him?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>directly opposite to the sometimes
> >>>>unstable, anxious and astute Scorpio (while Scorpio as a sign
also has
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>very
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>good qualities, of course).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Actually, Leo is opposite Aquarius.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>HPB was Cancer in her ascendant -- a
> >>>>personality strongly emotional, sincere, loving, direct,
sensitive, open,
> >>>>compassionate, sometimes too vulnerable -- and uncapable of
deceiving.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Yasser Arafat had cancer rising. He didn't seem to be overly
sensitive
> >>>about the people he killed to get to the position he was in.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Her Moon was in Libra -- her emotions were transparent,
> >>>>rational, inclined to justice and reciprocity, also
vulnerable, and far
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>from allowing her to have any cold outer mask.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Truman Capote had moon in Libra. He wrote "In Cold Blood."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Those who attack her personal,
> >>>>Lion/Cancer/Libra honesty and openess, are attacking the
essential
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ethical
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>basis of her philosophy.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Mere planetary placements alone are not going to tell you much
about a
> >>>person. I suggest that you leave astrology to the astrologers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>5) I cannot agree that the book "Incidents in the Life of
Madame
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Blavatsky",
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>by A. P. Sinnett, is a "confused mess". In fact, it is a major
source of
> >>>>first-hand evidence on HPB's life.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Actually, second hand evidence. It is a biography.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It is the cause of many of HPB's letters
> >>>>now available. Because of this, Vera, HPB's sister, wrote
important
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>texts
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>about the life of the founder of the theosophical movement.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Boris de Zirkoff deserves credit for pulling together most of
the
> >>>letters we have. He also corrected the many mistakes in the
Biography.
> >>>See the chronologies in the Blavatsky Collected Works, which he
spent 50
> >>>years compiling.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>6) As to the absence of data about HPB's life, there are two
points I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>want
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>to make.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I don't wish to get into a discussion about your notions of the
> >>>esotericism of St. Germain, Carlos Castaneda etc. Rather, HPB
simply
> >>>stated that her private life before she became a public person
is none
> >>>of the public's business. Most public people fell that way,
whether
> >>>they are an occultist, actor, or astronaut.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>7) Up to a few days ago, I thought Johnson to be honestly self-
deluded.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>have to apologize for that. I have learned better. Paul makes
brutal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>though
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>disguised attacks to HPB and the Masters, but, when
confronted with the
> >>>>facts, he tries to cover himself with the false mantle and
role of a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>poor,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>delicate and innocent victim.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I hope that the misreadings I have pointed out to you will help
you to
> >>>put aside your former conclusions, carefully re-read Paul's
writings and
> >>>re-evaluate them.
> >>>
> >>>Best wishes,
> >>>Jerry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Dear Jerry,
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks for your views.
> >>>>
> >>>>1) I will quote from Paul Johnson's pamplhlet "Madame
Blavatsky, the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>'veiled
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>years' " (THC, London, 1987, p. 07):
> >>>>
> >>>>"There are two obvious questions(...) The first concerns the
relative
> >>>>genuiness of Gurdjieff and Blavatsky as emissaries of occult
orders.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Both
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>may have been charlatans, with Gurdjieff merely exploiting the
market
> >>>>created by H.P.B. (...)."
> >>>>
> >>>>Is that clear?
> >>>>
> >>>>In page 03 of the same pamphlet, Johnson explains "why" HPB
was a fraud,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"had fraudulent aspects" in her behaviour and work. HPB is but
a mirror
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>him as for many people.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>2) Besides, I friendly challenge you to extract from Johnson
any clear
> >>>>declaration that he does NOT consider HPB a fraud, and that he
considers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>her
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>as a sincere, honest, decent woman, author and teacher. He
uses the same
> >>>>"maybe" tactics as Algeo and others, in the way he slanders
HPB. All his
> >>>>books use that strategy. As he wants to sell his books, he
will most
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>likely
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>NOT contradict himself in that. (In his "approach", Paul
ignores the 1986
> >>>>declaration of the SPR, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>>3) Of course, Esoteric Philosophy cannot be understood at the
level of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>outer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>appearances ("face value"). True. Esoteric Philosophy deals
with the
> >>>>occult, or essential aspects of life, which are "invisible to
the eyes"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>(to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>use St. Exupery's expression). Yet they are invisible NOT
because they
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>false, as illustrated-ignorants like Paul Johnson and John
Algeo will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>say.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Essential aspects of life can be seen only by the heart. See
the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>'Doctrine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>of the Eye' versus the 'Doctrine of the Heart' in "The Voice
of the
> >>>>Silence".
> >>>>
> >>>>g a4) As to HPB bein fraud or semi-fraud, it is enough to see
her astral
> >>>>chart. She was a Leo in the sun sign. Is Leo a sign for fraud
or lies?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>No.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It is the most brave and loyal sign, directly opposite to the
sometimes
> >>>>unstable, anxious and astute Scorpio (while Scorpio as a sign
also has
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>very
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>good qualities, of course). HPB was Cancer in her
ascendant -- a
> >>>>personality strongly emotional, sincere, loving, direct,
sensitive, open,
> >>>>compassionate, sometimes too vulnerable -- and uncapable of
deceiving.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>No
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>frauds, then. Her Moon was in Libra -- her emotions were
transparent,
> >>>>rational, inclined to justice and reciprocity, also
vulnerable, and far
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>from allowing her to have any cold outer mask. And -- she
spent most of
> >>>her
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>life fighting cold outer personality masks, which she
called "shells'.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>She
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>had reasons to do so. All of her philosophy is the
philosophy of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>universal
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>truth and personal sincerity. Those who attack her personal,
> >>>>Lion/Cancer/Libra honesty and openess, are attacking the
essential
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ethical
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>basis of her philosophy.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>5) I cannot agree that the book "Incidents in the Life of
Madame
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Blavatsky",
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>by A. P. Sinnett, is a "confused mess". In fact, it is a major
source of
> >>>>first-hand evidence on HPB's life. It is the cause of many of
HPB's
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>letters
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>now available. Because of this, Vera, HPB's sister, wrote
important
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>texts
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>about the life of the founder of the theosophical movement.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>6) As to the absence of data about HPB's life, there are two
points I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>want
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>to make.
> >>>>
> >>>>First, the life of every regular disciple will have mysterious
aspects.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>They
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>have to protect all their inner lives from "outward
magnetism". See
> >>>>Alessandro Cagliostro, Count of St. Germain and others,
equally
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>mysterious,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>and equally called "charlatans" by the Paul-Johnsons and V.
Solovyofs of
> >>>>their times. The libellers of Initiates enjoy selling books
with their
> >>>>fancied "revelations".
> >>>>
> >>>>Second, HPB, as Carlos Castaneda and other learners, trained
herself for
> >>>>some time in self-forgetfulness, which includes "erasing the
signs of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>every
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>step taken in the world". This is something
> >>>>which people who do not understand a iota of esoteric
philosophy cannot
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ever
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>understand.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>7) Up to a few days ago, I thought Johnson to be honestly self-
deluded.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>have to apologize for that. I have learned better. Paul makes
brutal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>though
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>disguised attacks to HPB and the Masters, but, when
confronted with the
> >>>>facts, he tries to cover himself with the false mantle and
role of a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>poor,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>delicate and innocent victim.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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