Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00620)

Bart -- A dose of theosophical history is in order.  

The decision to abolish the parent society was made by Olcott and 
HPB when they met after Olcott received the letter on the Shannon, 
which was precipitated in HPB's absence while Olcott was alone.  

The TS had absolutely no legal standing in Adyar and was nothing 
more than an ad hoc sentiment.  The TS corporation founded in New 
York State had no authority at Adyar.  The New York corporation was 
created in 1875, and Judge was most active in that corporation.  The 
Adyar TS claim that it was founded in 1875 is baloney.  Olcott did 
not even go to Adyar until several years later; thus, the Adyar TS 
could not have existed in 1875.  (Do you understand that?)

HPB created the Esoteric Section with W. Q. Judge in 1888, after  
abolishing the parent society as a good idea that went sour.   

The Adyar TS had no legal standing anywhere in the world until 1905, 
when it incorporated in India.  

As regards your other questions, again, Bart, these issues will be 
settled in court according to the laws of Washington State.

After answering your questions several times, you still do not 
understand.  This is a problem that you must come to terms with, in 
a way most suitable for you.

Best regards,
Krsanna


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@...> wrote:
>
> krsanna wrote:
> > 1.  What will the TSA achieve if they win the lawsuit?  
> > 
> > ANSWER:  Greater authority for the territory they have named as 
> > their domain, which is theosophy in America.  Justification for 
> > their existence, by demonstrating that Theosophical lodges need 
> > authority and supervision and that the TSA's spin on theosophy 
is 
> > right.  Market domination.  These are common human behaviors 
that 
> > have driven much human history.  Certainly, you do not suggest 
that 
> > TSA is free of ignorance and territoriality.  
> 
> 	Now, tell me, what is it that Tacoma was doing that was in 
violation of 
> the TSA board's idea of Theosophy?
> 
> 
> > 2.  Bart wrote:  I don't understand Tacoma's [explanation].  
> > 
> > ANSWER:  It is regrettable that you do not understand Tacoma's 
> > desire for autonomy.  
> 
> 	I understand Tacoma's desire for autonomy. I don't 
understand what they 
> are saying that the TSA's justification is. What more will the TSA 
gain 
> by the takeover which they don't already have? It's got to be more 
than 
> a theoretical victory, or else there would not be any 
justification of 
> the use of assets.
> 
> > HPB abolished Adyar (TSA's daddy's home) as the parent 
organization 
> > and declared lodges autonomous in 1887.  TSA has no legal claim 
to 
> > theosophical lodges other than the authority lodges voluntarily 
> > accept.  
> 
> 	Can you please show me where this was done, and what HPB's 
authority to 
> do so was?
> 
> > Tacoma has never relinquished its autonomy to the TSA at 
Wheaton.  
> > For 60 years, Tacoma has protected its autonomy.  The Lodge 
elected 
> > to not revise its bylaws on several occasions since 1941, 
because it 
> > did not want to relinquish the autonomy provided it by the 
existing 
> > bylaws.  
> 
> 	The TSA claims that Tacoma is in violation of the 1941 
bylaws.
> 
> > Personally, I elected to not pass on the drivel that TSA dishes 
out 
> > in the guise of theosophy.  
> 
> 	What drivel DO you believe in?
> 
> 	Bart
>