Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00598)

Thanks, Steve.  I have always considered you an independent sort, so I 
apologize if I gave the impression that I was pigeon-holing you.  I, 
too, am a "free agent."  As to whether I am a theosophists or not, I 
suppose that would be in the eye of the beholder.  As I see myself, I am 
intending to be a theosophist as HPB defines that term in "The 
Omnipresent Proteus."

In reading your comments, I wonder if you would address the idea that 
Blavatsky's outpouring is the "original" outpouring of theosophy which I 
interpret as 'divine wisdom'.  I understand the phrase 'universal 
wisdom" as well, and wonder if you see a difference there worth noting?

peace,


bill

Steven Levey wrote:
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>       What you are over looking in my response about the TM and non-organization, is that I am commenting as a "free agent", not outwardly affiliated to any ULT, while remaining completely aligned with the sense behind the founding of ULT. Now, having been around the country a bit, and seeing for myself the operation of other Lodges, it's become quite apparent, that even though the original intent of the founder, Robert Crosbie, was to have groups of students and no actual organization with by-laws and officers-it's soul bond being devotion to to the original teachings/Mahatmas as presented through HPB and Judge, none the less, the group dynamics tending towards hierarches, etc. has actually had the impact of bringing dogmatic thought and this congregationalism I mentioned, into these Lodges.
>       Having said that, it is also clear to me, that the thesosphical movement, if it is seen as that movement whose intent is to bring the unalloyed thoughts and philosophy of the Mahatmas into the world scene, in doing so requires an organised, at least systematic approach to make this presentation possible. But, this is true of our culture, not neccesarily so in other cultures or in the ancient world of lesser materialistic and less compartmentalised culture or community. I feel that this is a correct assumption if one looks at our culture as the by product of the blockage of the inner man, so that to get community and culture acomplished, the personalities of our day need structure. This being a by-product of stunted imagination and the poor ability to manifest needs and accomplishment through the application of "will". Therefore more focus through assistance of organised wills, is required for us. 
>       Now, if other students of ULT feel similarly, I suppose that's fine. My intention is not to be original, but to call attention to the fact that even ULT needs a system of checks and  balances, as has failed in the Adyar and TSA, through which the original outpourings can stay fresh with the application of open mindedness by its participants. This means that organization needs to be less important than the reason they have come into existence. In fact they need to be seen as vehicles, like our personalities. To that end, I don't feel that Theos-talk is experiencing a ULT-Adyar confrontation. I feel it is experiencing the natural difficulties and sufferings of students as they, on occasion, wake up to the fact that there was an original and clean outpouring of wisdom (yes through atmittedly imperfect folks) which has become muddied up though power plays and pretension under what ever name.  
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