Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00595)

Carlos,

Thanks for nothing. 

I wonder if you made that brilliant response to what I said to give you 
justification to "feel free" to continue your same old ways -- that Bill, I, and 
others have repeatedly pointed out?   

I suppose we'll just have to let the readers judge for themselves. :-)

Also, I'm sure we all would be interested in knowing how you know that "Bill 
saw the point" and what that "point" might be?   I don't see that you had any 
point -- except, perhaps, to denigrate another of your personal adversaries by 
innuendo.   Do you do that consciously, or is the habit so ingrained that 
it's become an unconscious reflex? 

Answer that and maybe you'll get the point.

LHM

In a message dated 3/12/06 2:28:56 PM, carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes:


> Leon,
> 
> Feel free.
> Bill saw the point.
> 
> Best regards,  Carlos.
> 
> >From: leonmaurer@aol.com
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Bill improving?
> >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:19:23 EST
> >
> >Folks, I hate to butt into this argument, but it's gone so far off base
> >that
> >I can't avoid commenting.
> >
> >As for Carlos...
> >
> >Your response below is both arrogant, ad hominem, and stupid... Since Bill
> >sees you exactly as your are (as I have also pointed out in the past, and
> >I'm
> >sure many of us also see)... And you have no reasonable argument to prove
> >any of
> >us wrong.
> >
> >When are you going to quit this constant provocation, based on your
> >personal
> >opinions and animosities, as well as faulty memory, presumptive and gossipy
> >attacks, coupled with illogical reasoning?
> >
> >Harping on past mistakes or circumstances that can't be changed and
> >constantly berating people you dislike, as well as fomenting personal
> >arguments with
> >them, will get you nowhere -- except to turn everyone off that might have
> >had
> >some respect for you as a theosophically knowledgeable teacher or guide.
> >
> >Face it, and get off our backs -- unless you have something positive to say
> >that might help members of this forum fulfill the objects of the
> >Theosophical
> >Movement, or give us a better understanding of Theosophy, its fundamental
> >principles and its metaphysical realities.
> >
> >LHM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 3/12/06 1:29:50 PM, carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Your level of  truthfulness is still below the sea level
> > >
> > > but your language seems to have improved. Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Carlos smells the flowers
> > > >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:46:54 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Carlos,
> > > >
> > > >  You say that I mention "H. P. Blavatsky's stinking corpse."  You use
> > > >quotation marks around this sentence as though you are quoting me
> > > >directly and accurately.  Do you even realize that you are not?   You
> > > >are quoting your inaccurate recollection of what you thought I must
> >have
> > > >said, based on your psychological need to dismiss me as an
> >insignificant
> > > >disturbance to your world-view.  If your memory were accurate, or if
> >you
> > > >bothered to check your facts you would also note that it was Steve and
> > > >not Chuck who tried to remind me that HPB's body was cremated. 
> >Pointing
> > > >out  these erroneous recollections of yours is important.   In doing
> >so,
> > > >I am giving you the opportunity to realize that  when you are not
> > > >looking,  a part of you is reinterpreting and rearranging the actual
> > > >events of the past  into a satisfactory bouquet  that smells like
> > > >spring-time to you.
> > > >
> > > >In addition, despite my subsequent efforts to identify my post as a
> > > >directly proportional parody of  the "nice" post you sent about your
> > > >brother Paul and my admitting forthrightly that in my post I was
> >telling
> > > >lies at about the same rate as you, and despite my further comments to
> > > >clarify that my reference to decaying corpse and dead carcass was a
> > > >metaphor for her body of literature ( an admittedly failed metaphor for
> > > >sure), you choose to ignore these points because you do not wish to see
> > > >your post to Paul for what it really is (an attempt to shoot the
> > > >messenger), but instead wish to remember it only  for what you intended
> > > >it to be (a defense of HPB).
> > > >
> > > >We each have a human tendency to reconstruct history to suit our
> > > >present  needs.  Some are aware of this tendency, while others continue
> > > >in ignorance.
> > > >
> > > >peace,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > You seem to be liking to tell "killing stories" lately. (See below.)
> > > > >
> > > > > A few days ago, in one of your nice messages to me, you mentioned
> >"H. P.
> > > > > Blavatsky's
> > > > > stinking corpse".
> > > > >
> > > > > Soon after that, Chuck the Heretic tried to remind you of the
> >well-known
> > > > > fact that HPB's body was cremated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you insist in bringing our dialogue to this level, you will
> >not
> > > >mind
> > > > > if I ask you something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Instead of mentioning HPB's physical body after death,  it makes
> >much
> > > >more
> > > > > sense if you think of your own stinking corpse, doesn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mind your business first"  is always a good piece of advice.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Peace to all beings, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@earthlink.net>
> > > > >> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Shooting messengers vs producing the goods
> > > > >> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:53:50 -0500
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Once upon a time there was a man who traveled from his own country 
> > > >into
> > > > >> the world known as the Land of Theosophists.
> > > > >> He saw a number of people running in terror from a library where
> >they
> > > > >> had been trying to Study Theosophy.  "There is a Heretic in that
> > > > >> library," they told him.  He looked, and saw that it was a
> >scholarly
> > > > >> messenger.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> He offered to kill the "Heretic" for them.  When he had finished
> > > > >> "shooting the messenger,"  he declared the body of work that
> >remained
> > > > >> anathema and burned the books.  Seeing his skill at killing and
> > > >burning,
> > > > >> the people were sorely afraid and cried out, "he will kill us and
> >burn
> > > > >> our books next unless we get rid of him."  But they were weak and
> >so
> > > > >> they lived and died in their own fear doing as the stranger told
> >them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It so happened that at another time another man also wandered into
> >the
> > > > >> Land of Theosophists and the same thing started to happen to him. 
> >But,
> > > > >> instead of offering to kill the "heretic," he told them they were
> > > >living
> > > > >> in relative illusion and he went into the library and studied  with
> >the
> > > > >> heretic.  No one was killed and no books were burned.   By his bold
> > > > >> example he taught them the basic fact which would enable them not
> >only
> > > > >> to conquer their fear of "heretics"  but also their illusions about
> > > > >> truth and heresy.  This enabled them to  live  at  peace with all
> > > > >> beings  in  the Land of Theosophists.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Morten -  yes I know you care.  You know that I do care, too.  How
> >are
> > > > >> the "rugrats" these days?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> peace,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> bill
> 



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