Bill's Own Odour
Mar 12, 2006 07:52 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Bill,
You seem to be liking to tell "killing stories" lately. (See below.)
A few days ago, in one of your nice messages to me, you mentioned "H. P.
Blavatsky's
stinking corpse".
Soon after that, Chuck the Heretic tried to remind you of the well-known
fact that HPB's body was cremated.
Since you insist in bringing our dialogue to this level, you will not mind
if I ask you something.
Instead of mentioning HPB's physical body after death, it makes much more
sense if you think of your own stinking corpse, doesn't it?
"Mind your business first" is always a good piece of advice.
Peace to all beings, Carlos.
From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@...>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Shooting messengers vs producing the goods
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:53:50 -0500
Once upon a time there was a man who traveled from his own country into
the world known as the Land of Theosophists.
He saw a number of people running in terror from a library where they
had been trying to Study Theosophy. "There is a Heretic in that
library," they told him. He looked, and saw that it was a scholarly
messenger.
He offered to kill the "Heretic" for them. When he had finished
"shooting the messenger," he declared the body of work that remained
anathema and burned the books. Seeing his skill at killing and burning,
the people were sorely afraid and cried out, "he will kill us and burn
our books next unless we get rid of him." But they were weak and so
they lived and died in their own fear doing as the stranger told them.
It so happened that at another time another man also wandered into the
Land of Theosophists and the same thing started to happen to him. But,
instead of offering to kill the "heretic," he told them they were living
in relative illusion and he went into the library and studied with the
heretic. No one was killed and no books were burned. By his bold
example he taught them the basic fact which would enable them not only
to conquer their fear of "heretics" but also their illusions about
truth and heresy. This enabled them to live at peace with all
beings in the Land of Theosophists.
Morten - yes I know you care. You know that I do care, too. How are
the "rugrats" these days?
peace,
bill
M. Sufilight wrote:
> Hallo all,
>
> My views are:
>
> You wrote:
> "It is disturbing to read the "shoot the messenger" postings directed at
> Paul
> Johnson, "
>
> What postings are You talking about?
> And what is so disturbing about them?
>
> Perhaps it is the following issue you are talking about.
> :-)
> In the Land of Fools - alias the "Ugly melon monster"
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/23533
>
> And, Let us also remember this:
> It is also a fact, that Some persons are way too sensitive.
> They observe attacks were there are none. The feel hate, were there are
> none.
> The ASSUME a whole lot - based on no solid foundation.
> Some people sometimes think, that they are either suffering from stress
or
> are hysterical or have psychological problems of
> one or the other kind. Perhaps of a scholary kind.
> :-)
>
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gregory@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 7:30 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Shooting messengers vs producing the goods
>
>
> It is disturbing to read the "shoot the messenger" postings directed at
Paul
> Johnson, but it is probably suggestive of the intellectual decline in
the
> Theosophical world which (ironically, given the other "pet hates" of
most of
> Paul's critics) began with the Leadbeater ascendancy. It requires no
more
> than
> a systematic reading of "The Theosophist" from its beginnings to the
> post-Blavatsky period to observe the decline in the intellectual
standard of
> the journal. Under Besant is grew in size and diminished in quality.
>
> I am not a devotee of Blavatsky, although I regard her as a genius. Nor
am I
> an
> authority on her life and work. I do, however, know something about the
> researching and writing of history and biography. Having read Paul's
work
> from
> manuscript to published form, I remain unconvinced by the hypotheses he
> advances regarding the "Masters". But that I am not so convinced does
not
> mean
> I question his research methodology, his sheer hard work in research or
the
> significance of his contribution to Theosophical history.
>
> Assuming that Paul has got it all wrong, totally misrepresents
Blavatsky,
> perhaps makes it all up or leaves out significant material: where is the
> equivalently scholarly Theosophical response? Indeed, where is one
single
> scholarly - or honest - Theosophical study of biography or history from
> within
> any of the existing Theosophical groups? Relatively recent publications
-
> from
> Mills on the TS in America to Cranston on Blavatsky - are, at best,
public
> relations brochures, and at worst dishonest distortions in which the
> difficult
> facts are omitted or misrepresented.
>
> Where is the fully documented, unexpurgated, reasonably argued and
properly
> documented work presenting the Theosophical view of, for example, the
life
> of
> Blavatsky or the history of Theosophy? And, if there is no such work,
how is
> the deficit to be explained? Intellectual incompetence? Lack of anyone
with
> the
> ability to do scholarly research? Fundamental incapacity for honesty?
Simple
> laziness? The material is all there (albeit much of it locked away from
any
> objective scholarly access, which raises other significant questions).
>
> It is obviously easier to shoot messengers - to denounce Meade and
Johnson
> who
> actually did some research, put their own time and effort and money into
> quests
> for something like the facts, however critical I may be of the results -
> than to
> actually compete with them.
>
> I think that a serious, scholarly biography of Blavatsky (and I don't
think
> Meade accomplished that, but she's worthy of a Nobel Prize compared with
the
> shoddy hagiography produced by Cranston) or an equally scholarly study
of
> her
> foundation of the Theosophical Society (and I don't think Johnson
> accomplished
> that, but compared to his in-house competitors his name must be engraved
on
> an
> Oscar) would make for absolutely remarkable reading. She was a woman of
such
> brilliance - and such eccentricity - that she is worthy of something of
> equivalent brilliance and imagination. I only wish I was capable of
writing
> it!
>
> So - a challenge to the Theosophists who devote their time to shooting
at
> Paul
> (or, for that matter, me!): there is an appropriate Australianism - put
up
> or
> shut up. If you can compete, withdraw from the race.
>
> Dr Gregory Tillett
>
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