Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00503)

Dear friends,

Once Christians, for the sake of their truth murdered those who were 
thinking different accusing them as heretics and black magicians. 
Here they are trying to kill those who think different under the 
claim they are Dugpas. Any similarity?

But this is not something expressed in this group now, I am four 
years member here and such kind of claims and accusations are going 
on here all the time or at least the last four years. There is a 
pattern that goes on and on here, it is like this group can't move 
forward but keeps rewinding and rewinding. And such pattern:

Endless attacks to the T.S. Adyar
Endless critics to C.W.L. 
Endless defense of Judge and Blavatsky
Endless accusations, to other fellow writers calling them as Dugpas, 
black magicians etc.

Well such are the basics of this group and I think should also be 
explicit in its objects and not veiled! Even me who I am student of 
Blavatsky and I have also my critics to C.W.L., I can't stand it no 
more! I am not planning to spend the rest of my life or even one year 
more reading the same kind of postings as I am doing the last four 
years!

Below there is a quote from the Mahatma Letters, letter n. 8
 
" Love, an Immense Love for humanity — as a Whole! For it 
is "Humanity" which is the great Orphan, the only disinherited one 
upon this earth, my friend. And it is the duty of every man who is 
capable of an unselfish impulse to do something, however little, for 
its welfare. Poor, poor humanity! It reminds me of the old fable of 
the war between the Body and its members; here too, each limb of this 
huge "Orphan" — fatherless and motherless — selfishly cares but for 
itself. The body uncared for suffers eternally, whether the limbs are 
at war or at rest. Its suffering and agony never cease. . . ."K.H.
 
And now as the cherry on the cake is the post below! What he is 
trying to tell us? Trying to justify all this attacks also to members 
this group as theosophical principle of the Universal Brotherhood, as 
a theosophical duty? How far from the truth he is!  Theosophical 
duties are far away from behaviour that express fanaticism and not a 
drop of compassion towards others.  If he could probably he would 
include in the above quote that humanity do not include theosophists 
which thinks in a different way!
 
Also as a member of the Theosophical Society Adyar, I think I have to 
take a position, and what that would be? To leave this group that, 
has been used basically for endless attacks to the above 
organization, and when they are not attacking Adyar they will find 
always somebody here to attack!


Erica

Ps: And I leave a message for you Carlos, don't forget you were once 
a dedicated member of the T.S. Adyar, and I am sure you would have 
stood for the society! So do not blame other for acting and doing 
something that also you would have done years ago. 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robert_b_macd" 
<robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:
>
> "HPB in the "Key" describes the Three Objects as follows:
> 
> "(1.) To form the nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity
> without distinction of race, colour, or creed. (2.) To promote the
> study of Aryan and other Scriptures, of the World's religion and
> sciences, and to vindicate the importance of old Asiatic literature,
> namely, of the Brahmanical, Buddhist, and Zoroastrian philosophies.
> (3.) To investigate the hidden mysteries of Nature under every 
aspect
> possible, and the psychic and spiritual powers latent in man
> especially." (Key, TUP, 39) 
> 
> HPB describes the first object as the principle through which we
> remove selfishness from humanity.  The remaining two objects are the
> means by which we verify the truth behind the efforts to achieve the
> first object.  They are one object in three parts.  It is 
interesting
> how we are going to understand various religions, by contrasting 
them
> with Asiatic literature.  It is this literature that expresses best
> the idea that the root of mankind is one.  Most religions express
> this, but not all, HPB points out that:
> 
> "What is also needed is to impress men with the idea that, if the 
root
> of mankind is one, then there must also be one truth which finds
> expression in all the various religions -- except in the Jewish, as
> you do not find it expressed even in the Kabala." (Key, TUP, 45)
> 
> HPB points out that nowhere does the Jewish religion express 
that "the
> root of mankind is one", and if the Kabala implies it, it does not
> openly express it.  The Jewish religion has found expression through
> Christianity and Islam, and it is these three religions that are
> involved in much of the strife involved in the world today.  The
> Jewish religion has an openly separatist doctrine, they are a people
> apart, etc.  It is clear then that not all religions are equal, some
> are closer to the theosophical ideal of brotherhood than are 
others. 
> Theosophist have to learn to discriminate.
> 
> HPB points out on the practice of brotherhood the following:
> 
> "Therefore, we say, that unless every man is brought to understand 
and
> accept as an axiomatic truth that by wronging one man we wrong not
> only ourselves but the whole of humanity in the long run, no 
brotherly
> feelings such as preached by all the great Reformers, pre-eminently 
by
> Buddha and Jesus, are possible on earth." (Key, 47)
> 
> HPB points out the following on duty:
> 
> "No Theosophist should be silent when he hears evil reports or
> slanders spread about the Society, or innocent persons, whether they
> be his colleagues or outsiders." (Key, 250)
> 
> "ENQUIRER. But suppose what one hears is the truth, or may be true
> without one knowing it? 
> THEOSOPHIST. Then you must demand good proofs of the assertion, and
> hear both sides impartially before you permit the accusation to go
> uncontradicted. You have no right to believe in evil, until you get
> undeniable proof of the correctness of the statement." (Key, 250)
> 
> &#65279;"No working member should set too great value on his 
personal
> progress or proficiency in
> Theosophic studies; but must be prepared rather to do as much
> altruistic work as lies in his
> power. He should not leave the whole of the heavy burden and
> responsibility of the Theosophical
> movement on the shoulders of the few devoted workers. Each member
> ought to feel it his duty to
> take what share he can in the common work, and help it by every 
means
> in his power." (Key 252)
> 
> "To be ever prepared to recognize and confess one's faults. To 
rather
> sin through exaggerated
> praise than through too little appreciation of one's neighbour's
> efforts. Never to backbite or
> slander another person. Always to say openly and direct to his face
> anything you have against
> him. Never to make yourself the echo of anything you may hear 
against
> another, nor harbour
> revenge against those who happen to injure you." (Key, 253)
> 
>  If anyone has fault with the above, then what are your counter 
arguments?
> 
> The above is an altruistic expression of what members of the
> Theosophical Movement are trying
> to achieve.  No one expects us to do the foregoing well as our 
entire
> education when young and
> outside influences since then have been to understand ourselves as
> separate from humanity.  But
> every time we follow the above suggestions, we come closer to
> understanding the First Object of
> the Movement.
> 
> Theosophists do not repeat evil or allow it to go uncontradicted. 
> Lies are evil.  Theosophists err by excessive praise rather than by
> too little appreciation of effort.  Whatever else can be said about
> TMR, it can hardly be described as excessive praise.  Daniel 
reprints
> Lies.  Leadbeater wants us to believe that he can psychically divine
> who a World Teacher is and use the Theosophical Society to foist 
this
> figure as an authority on the rest of us, and nonsense more 
outrageous
> if ultimately less dangerous (and really, Leadbeater was the least 
of
> our problems during his time).  All this and more, and we are
> seriously having a debate as to whether these individuals and those
> who follow their lead are being hard done by?
> 
> I appreciate the sympathy we have for those affected, sympathy 
should
> temper our defence of HPB and the Movement.  After all it is a
> distasteful duty to tell people that their behaviour is injurious to
> the Movement and to Humanity.  If some people are too aggressive in
> their defence of HPB, I think it is fair to argue that point. 
> However, it must be understood that this aspect of Theosophy,
> performing one's duties, is much more important than understanding
> Rounds and Races.  Precisely because the officers of the various
> Societies have allowed or participated in the repetition of these
> ongoing lies, we find ourselves at this unfortunate juncture.  The
> cure would be to elect officers of your various Societies who will
> have the courage to stand up for HPB and Judge and end once and for
> all this endless cycle of sniping.  It does not matter whether you
> believe in HPB and the Masters, without proof, what has been done to
> them is wrong.  Sitting on the fence is not an option.  Make your
> leaders take a public position, this will help to clarify everything
> and move this towards a conclusion once and for all.  Stir the pot.
> 
> These are arguments as to why this painful rehashing of the past
> continues to be current.  I am curious as to why some think that it 
is
> better to sweep it all away?  The fact that we continue to be 
plagued
> by these issues seems to indicate that some essential principle has
> not been understood by all parties.  If it is not the ignoring of 
our
> Theosophical Duties then what is it?
> 
> Sincerely,
> Bruce
>