Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00484)

Dear Paul,
Stand in your own space and let the storm rage around you.  Your motives are your own and no one but you can know the path that led you to make whatever  choices you made, be they right or wrong according to others.

I have not read your book but can say that my respect for Blavatsky is a personal issue and I will continue to hold this respect regardless of what I read in print about her.

Whether the Masters were simply extraordinary men or not matters little to me, what matters are their thoughts on neo-platonism.  Whether Plato existed or not would not change my views on his thoughts. (Of course, I know he did, ).  I look at the ideas not at the man/woman creating those ideas.  There personal idosynchrisies (within limits, e.g. CWL's immoral behaviour) are immaterial as far as I am concerned.

Cheers
Cass

kpauljohnson <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Erica,

Thank you for your comments.  Here I am at work at 5 AM, having 
awakened at 2 worrying about theos-talk.  There is a kind of psychic 
vampirism involved in a situation where one listmember's personal 
attacks on another result in a dozen or more posts in a single day 
with the target's name in the header in insulting context.  On 
several occasions Daniel would post five to ten hostile posts in a 
single day about me whenever anyone showed "too much" sympathetic 
interest in my books.  That was harassment pure and simple, and there 
were always enablers who refused to admit there was anything improper 
about such behavior.  (Of which I was by no means the only target.) 
Now he is "gone" (?), and one constantly enraged partisan 
cyberstalker has taken the place of another.  Carlos seems to be 
trying to outdo Daniel in his destructive obsession with one "K. Paul 
Johnson" who is imaginary, a creation of his own fantasy.  Anything I 
have told him about the falsity of his accusations only increases 
their frequency and intensity.  Perhaps Pedro is right that the list 
should be shut down entirely for a while.  But unless there is 
moderation or rules, the same dynamic would reappear whenever theos-
talk was reopened.  Some people *feed* on causing annoyance to 
others. 

I use the word cyberstalker with care, because before erupting into 
multiple personal attacks online yesterday, Carlos had subjected me 
to an escalating series of personal insults and attacks in private 
email.  Every attempt to show patience, to provide explanations, to 
defuse the escalating antagonism, only stirred him to greater 
sectarian fury.  That's EXACTLY what I experienced with Daniel.  I 
told Carlos night before last that I intended to come back here just 
for a day to announce that my "hiatus" from the list would be 
permanent and not temporary. I presume that explains the recent 
flurry of hostile posts-- a last chance to get in some public licks 
knowing I would read them. An unmoderated list provides an open 
invitation for dogmatic, aggressive, relentless attackers of anyone 
who doesn't follow the party line favored by the self-
appointed "thought police."  How long were we free from one before 
another took over that role?  You wrote: 

snip
>    
>   The e-mail below is very provocative, I could say cruel! Please 
try to focus on ideas and not on personal attacks! At the end of your 
post you claim you wish a sincere debate, here in Greece we avoid 
debates and try to have dialogues. For in debates every kind of 
argument, specially those centred in the personality is allowed, 
while a dialogue is centred on ideas.
>    
Precisely.  In private email Carlos "challenged" me to a "debate" on 
the Masters, while proudly refusing to even consider reading any of 
my books on the subject.  I told him I was not available for debate, 
which is a win/lose proposition, but only for friendly discussion.  
Clearly the last thing he is interested in with me or anyone he 
considers tainted with lack of loyalty to HPB.

I don't have time or energy to answer every lie-- but will at least 
enumerate them:

LIE NUMBER ONE:
> Paul Johnson has been trying to explain HPB as a semifraudulent 
woman and to describe the Masters as non-Adepts. 

LIE NUMBER TWO:
To his mind, there are no metaphysical or spiritual mysteries to be 
solved.
> 
LIE NUMBER THREE:
> It is always a question of who's who. He invented the "People's 
magazine" Theosophy, as if the facts of Adepthood were a fiction -- 
false facts used perhaps to cover frauds and a "market for tricks", 
as he suggests in his 1987 text on HPB's 'Veiled Years'.
> 
LIE NUMBER FOUR:

> He does not perceive that also Jesus, as described in the New 
Testament, had his "veiled years".
> 
snip

HUMONGOUS LIE-- NUMBER FIVE:
> 
> Well, Paul Johnson did come to the theosophical movement with this 
kind of theory, putting himself much above HPB,

LIE NUMBER SIX:
 purporting to unveil the "Masters", 
> etc., and he had a John Algeo to receive him, and other pseudo-
theosophical leaders to open room to his ideas.
> 

LIE NUMBER SEVEN:
> And, just because Paul cannot "see" or experiment Theosophy, 

LIE NUMBER EIGHT:
he has to saythat it is "perhaps a fraud", "perhaps semi-fraud". 

I might go on.  But the bottom line here is quite perplexing.  
Feeling sorry for Carlos because he had come here after being 
attacked behind his back repeatedly by Daniel, I warned him privately 
that he was dealing with someone with a apparently longstanding 
interest in promoting antagonism here between different approaches to 
Theosophy or Theosophical organizations.  My intention was to try to 
stifle the emerging flamewar between him and Daniel.  Instead, my 
intervention only poured gasoline on the flames, after I was induced 
to make public my evidence about Green and Hobbes.  Evidently Carlos 
hates Adyar as much as/more than Daniel hates ULT, and their hatred 
of me is running neck and neck.  Now someone else is promoting an 
atmosphere of constant antagonism here.  My experiment in 
intervention results in the conclusion that the new bully is the same 
as the old.

Bill has shown himself to be quite the true prophet, seeing well in 
advance that Carlos would promote me to public enemy number one here 
as soon as Daniel was out of the picture. 

If you or anyone can see any alternative to my unsubscribing 
permanently, I'd appreciate knowing it.  The situation looks as 
hopeless now as it did when Daniel was on one of his crusading 
rampages.

Paul 

    





 
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