Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00384)

Bill-
      Disagreement is one thing, but why are you so angry? 
      If you are looking for a reason for Carlos's vehemence regarding CWL, it is the history of CWL's perverted behavior and teaching, which was somehow condoned by his cronies, and the terrible miscoloration of Theosophy because of it. And yes, it appears as if Carlos was a follower, but when the lights come on, and one sees where they are and who they supported, perhaps the gloves come off. Especially when the mess is as obvious as that which was made and perpetrated in that time by Adyar. I would agree that we are indeed "kicking a dead horse" if it were not the case that the "dead horse" is still with us.
      Regarding HPB, no where in his writings has Carlos, or anyone else on this site made HPB out to be perfect; her teachers---as far as we are concerned-YES. And as much as her "decaying corpse" is concerned, it was burned so that it couldn't rot, and she who inhabited it is far more potent now then she was then, being no longer inhibited by that body. 
      Take care Bill and cool off will you, it does you nor anyone else any good to have you blow off like this.
   
  Steve

Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@earthlink.net> wrote:
  CARLOS, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND SELF-DELUSION

Dear friends,

Carlos has been trying to explain HPB as a perfect person and to 
describe the Masters as Perfect Men. To his mind there are no 
metaphysical or spiritual mysteries left to be solved since HPB and the 
Masters have already solved them each and every one.

It is a question then of who we will worship. Carlos promotes the 
fundamentalist view of theosophy that all but claims perfection for its 
founder and her muses. He does not recognize any facts except those 
that will support his final resting place in the arms of HPB. Oh Rock 
of Ages, Cleft for me, Let me hide myself in thee!

He does not perceive that a discussion and even an investigation of HPB 
as a person with a history has any use within his theosophical 
movement. In fact, if one were to look closely at Carlos's perception 
of the theosophical movement one would see a stagnant cesspool of 
century old ideas being guarded by a brigade of loyal and devoted 
worshippers. The truth is that there is no movement in Carlos's 
theosophy. It stands in its own stench and its modern day supporters 
pretend they don't smell anything.

For me, the fact that Carlos stays transfixed in a movement that is 
without motion is itself a subject for some self-examination.

For me, and I do not presume to speak for thousands of others, theosophy 
is not limited to that which is taught by HPB and her Masters. In fact, 
theosophy is something which is alive. And because it is alive, it is in 
motion. It is experiential. It is of the timeless and can not be 
limited to one person's expositions no matter how time appropriate those 
expositions were. HPB is dead. The sooner we take our eyes off her 
decaying corpse and put our focus back on the Divine Wisdom that 
precedes and succeeds her, the quicker we will put motion back into the 
movement. It is true that while there are some like Carlos, who mistake 
running around in circles screaming, "the sky is falling" with 
meaningful movement, there are some of us who know that such activity 
has stalled the movement in its tracks and many are the seekers who have 
abandoned the TS for this reason: It is not moving anywhere.

And just because Carlos cannot "see" that Divine Wisdom swallows HPB and 
all her writings like a whale swallows water, he has to say that HPB's 
theosophy is true and divine alone and in and of itself. And other 
dogmatic, arm-chair reposing, book reading theosophists find his ideas 
comforting, possibly because these ideas offer them an escape from the 
challenge of living theosophy as motion in their own daily lives.

If Carlos would investigate Leadbeater in the light of Divine Wisdom he 
would see that there is no fraud, only a different man's attempt to 
express the inexpressible motion. Yet, Carlos who once followed 
Leadbeater, has quit him for what he now thinks is a better leader. 
Like a cigarette smoker who has finally quit, Carlos finds great 
substitute pleasure in hating and bashing those whom he now finds 
disgusting because they did not change their filthy habits at the very 
moment he did. 

The notion of a steep and narrow path will lead you straight to hell 
Carlos. There is nothing special about you, or your theosophical 
friends, or HPB, or any of the Masters to whom you are devoted. All is 
as it should be. You are a small bug splattered on the windshield of 
the universe and God will not notice you no matter how much you flap 
your broken wings and yawp about the importance of you and your 
thousands of friends around the world.

Carlos is like the Roman Catholic Clergy who try to keep themselves 
firmly in control of the flock.
For such people there are no real people, nothing internal, subjective, 
human. It's only the worship of the Pope that matters and the issue of 
real people with real names and real thoughts is dismissed as 
scholarship and heresy to the movement.

There are great souls all around us. Many will not see them because 
their focus is on the dead carcass of HPB. She will not rise again. 
Get over it. To worship her is to take theosophy down the same road 
as those who worship the Pope today. 

The problem, Carlos, is that you lack an understanding of what 
constitutes sincerity. You have convinced yourself that any debating 
point that is not in accordance with your understanding is,of course, 
not sincere and can therefore be dismissed out of hand. You just keep 
telling yourself that if the other person were really sincere they would 
have already quit smoking too.




peace,

bill
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