Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00346)

Kristar wrote , that the Sage of Arunachala.
"the only thinks he preached were through silence"
Is this Portugese Silence or English Silence? and, What is the Diference!?
cheers Iain
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Theos-World Ramana Marharshi & The Universe


> Krishtar,
>
> Sri Ramana Maharshi wrote.
> And he taught to his disciples.
> There are many books with his oral teachings both in English and in
> Portuguese.
> I will bring here a small bibliography about him  -- tomorrow, since I am
> not at home now.
> Ramana Maharshi's teachings have many points in common with HPB's 
> Theosophy
> --- as I
> see it.
> And his disciple Paul Brunton wrote some  important books, too, with no
> need to use the label "theosophical".  Things go beyond names, of course.
> There is a lot of untheosotphical things under theosophical names, and 
> most
> theosophical books don't use this "label".  For instance, the neostoic
> philosopher Epictetus
> can be considered a "theosophist" in the real sense of the word. And many,
> many  others...
>
> Carlos.
>
>
> > From: krishtar <krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br>
> > Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:30:16 -0300
> >
> > Carlos wrote, among other things:
> > "For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century."
> >
> > Hi, amigo
> >
> > Who are you talking about: Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi, the Sage of
> > Arunachala?
> > What is the source of that information?
> > The only things he preached were through silence, and just for
> > illustrating,
> > according to a book from A.Orborne he was once asked by a seeker if
> > theosophy was something good, all he said was a "yes".
> > If you have any further information to offer me on this particular, I 
> > thank
> > in advance.
> > By the way...
> > It´s very curious that Ramana had his first enlightenment ( that
> > near-death-like experience) just at the same time lapse HPB had passed
> > away.
> > He was never the same person anymore.
> > I once read that CWL stated that HPB would be reborn under a hindu young
> > boy...
> > Maybe he was half-right in certain aspects...
> >
> > Krishtar
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:38 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Krishnamurti & The Universe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Cass,
> >
> > Yet the Advaita system teachs the seven principles/ levels of 
> > consciousness
> > pretty much as HPB did (not a coincidence), while Krishnamurti never
> > understood,  much less taught the seven principles.
> >
> > For instance, Ramana Maharshi taught them in the 20th century.
> >
> > Seven principles are essential,  as by understanding them you have the key
> > of the correlation between the micro (a human individual) and the macro
> > (solar system and the universe).
> >
> > Krishnamurti was rather shallow with his doctrine according to which the
> > "I"
> > is bad.
> >
> > The importance of the correlation man/universe explains why studying the
> > "Secret Doctrine".
> > It is a form of Jnana Yoga.
> >
> > We are a summary of the universe, and the cosmos is an amplified picture 
> > of
> > each one of us.
> >
> > A mirror of one's soul.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,  Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > >Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >I tend to agree with Morten, in that Krishnamurti's latter teachings 
> > >were
> > >the recycling of the Advaita system.  However, I believe, in the early
> > days
> > >he did contribute towards humanity in exposing the emotional baggage 
> > >that
> > >we carry with us, and how important it is to recognize this, without
> > >judgement, in order to see ourselves as we are.  I certainly got much 
> > >out
> > >of the First and Last Freedom.
> > >
> > >Cass
> > >
> > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >Dear Cass,
> > >
> > >I know next to nothing about Gurdgieff.
> > >
> > >But a long standing leader of the Adyar Society gave me an image to
> > define
> > >Krishnamurti with few words: he is like the typical Indian Swami, who
> > goes
> > >about hammering one sole point, surrounded by his own unconditional
> > >supporters and worshippers. The main role of these followers  is to
> > >endlessly repeat the Swami's words,  while they try to hipnotize
> > themselves
> > >and others with these same unchanging words/ideas.
> > >
> > >
> > >Best regards.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Cass Silva
> > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Krishnamurtian Dogma?
> > > >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:27:19 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps rather than creating his own dogma, it was created around him.
> > > >Same thing with Gurdgieff???
> > > >Cass
> > > >
> > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Cass,
> > > >
> > > >Yet he created his own Krishhamurtian dogma.
> > > >Krishnamurtians usually don't read authors other than him.
> > > >They are usually not open to debate -- at least some of them.
> > > >Not all, of course.
> > > >
> > > >Best -- carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Cass Silva
> > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Esoteric School
> > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> > > > >
> > > > >It appears that Krishnamurti denied the necessity for a dogmatised
> > > >"school
> > > > >of thought" around his system.
> > > > >Cass
> > > > >
> > > > >carlosaveline cardoso aveline  wrote:
> > > > >Damian,]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I guess Gregory has given a thorough answer to the question.
> > > > >
> > > > >Comparatively, in the Adyar Society the Esoteric School continued,
> > yet
> > > >the
> > > > >fancies about outer contacts with the Masters were quietly dropped
> > rom
> > > > >1953,
> > > > >except for Geoffrey Hodson in Australia, a  rather national
> > phenomenon,
> > > >or
> > > > >at
> > > > >least a phenomenon with poor international dimension.
> > > > >
> > > > >J. Krishnamurti, very influential with regard to Radha Burnier,
> > wanted
> > > >the
> > > > >E. S. Adyar to
> > > > >be closed (there is at least one public source for that, Mary
> > Lutyens).
> > > > >Yet
> > > > >he did
> > > > >not have that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Best  regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: D P
> > > > > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Theos-World Pasadena Esoteric School
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:43:57 +0100 (CET)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi! I am researching a little about Esoterics Schools inside of 
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >Theosophical Movement then this is a question for Carlos Aveline 
> > > > > >or
> > > > >another
> > > > > >member of the list. C. Aveline wrote �if I remind well- that
> > >Esoteric
> > > > > >School of Pasadena has ceased its work, do you know why, or 
> > > > > >publics
> > > > > >statements about it?
> > > > > >   Thanks
> > > > > >
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