Thanks to Pasadena TS
Mar 08, 2006 09:16 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Folks,
As a student, in spite of its crisis and imperfections,
I am deeply grateful to Pasadena TS, as I am to
many people and workers in the Adyar Society,
as I am to the United Lodge of Theosophists and
thousands of people of good will, "theosophical"
and non-"theosophical" alike.
Pasadena has made some superb publications...
Best regards, Carlos.
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: Did Pasadena TS tell lies under the name of
Esoteric Instructions ?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:03:40 -0000
Dear Jerry,
Regarding the Purucker-Conger-Hartley-Long
> situation, I have in my archives thousands of unpublished
documents
> including letters, minutes of meetings, diary entries etc.
concerning
> this sequence of events. I have also, over the years, personally
> interviewed many of the people involved concerning it, including
Emmett
> Small, Kirby van Mater, and Judith Tyberg.
What is your conclusion after studying this subject.
>If you ever come to the
> United States, you are welcome to visit us, examine the documents,
and
> come to your own conclusions.
I would like to visit and see the documents and other good work you
are doing.
>
> In the mean time, there is in the back issues of Theosophical
History an
> article on Conger by Alan Donant and a reply by Kenneth Small
which
> addresses many of the issues and should give you a feel for the
opposing
> views on this issue.
If you have digital copies, send me or copy those things here.
One would have to appreciate courage of James Long. It was not easy
to boldly tell people that ES did not exist of which he was head.
It must have been against popular ideas. Especially people in
management generally like to keep holding to power and they could
have opposed James Long when he removed that power.
AG
>
>
>
>
> Anand Gholap wrote:
>
> >Dear Jerry,
> >Thanks for info. You said you found honest students in all
> >organization. That is true but point I wrote is different.
> >You wrote implying members belong to, are and should be loyal to
> >their organization. Fact is there is no one organization to which
> >serious students belong. Their goal should be to find the truth
from
> >all sources and organizations. Loyalty should be to truth and it
> >should not be blind supporting of organizations of which a person
is
> >member.
> >My question is still not answered. So it is being written again.
> >
> >
> >Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >
> >
> >>if within three months after
> >>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
proper
> >>
> >>
> >proofs of
> >
> >
> >>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have failed".
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena
TS
> >failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was no
> >Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific
directions,
> >in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric
School
> >which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >successor, cabinet rejected him and appointed James Long as leader
> >in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already
> >stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told
> >lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?
> >
> >AG
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear Anand, Friends,
> >>
> >>Let's put it this way: in 1895, those who felt lied to, sided
with
> >>either Besant or Judge, depending upon who they believed was
> >>
> >>
> >telling the
> >
> >
> >>truth. Accordingly, those who felt lied in in 1945-46, sided
with
> >>either Conger, or with the dissenting Board members, depending
> >>
> >>
> >upon who
> >
> >
> >>they believed was telling the truth. In 1951, those who felt
lied
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>sided with either Long or with Hartley, depending upon...well,
you
> >>
> >>
> >know....
> >
> >
> >>By 1931 there were dozens of "Theosophical" organizations
> >>
> >>
> >populated by
> >
> >
> >>Theosophists who believed that they have been lied to. Who is
> >>
> >>
> >going to
> >
> >
> >>cut through the Gordian knot and tell us who are the liars and
who
> >>
> >>
> >are
> >
> >
> >>the truth tellers?
> >>
> >>I have met the leaders of all these factions and others too.
They
> >>
> >>
> >all
> >
> >
> >>strike me as sincere and dedicated people trying to promulgate
> >>
> >>
> >Theosophy
> >
> >
> >>to the best of their ability. Isn't that good enough?
> >>
> >>Perhaps the Theosophical Movement is better off with its
multitude
> >>
> >>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>expressions coming from many organizations. Now, students of
> >>
> >>
> >Theosophy
> >
> >
> >>have different schools to compare. They can choose the one (on
> >>
> >>
> >ones)
> >
> >
> >>which best meet their temperament.
> >>
> >>I submit that the most constructive thing a member of a
> >>
> >>
> >Theosophical
> >
> >
> >>organization can do is to keep an eye on their own organization
> >>
> >>
> >and make
> >
> >
> >>sure that those in charge are being honest. Let the members of
> >>
> >>
> >other
> >
> >
> >>organizations keep watch on their own leaders.
> >>
> >>Best
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >>>Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>if within three months after
> >>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >proper
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>proofs of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >failed".
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant
Pasadena
> >>>
> >>>
> >TS
> >
> >
> >>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was
> >>>
> >>>
> >no
> >
> >
> >>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific
> >>>
> >>>
> >directions,
> >
> >
> >>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric
> >>>
> >>>
> >School
> >
> >
> >>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>successor, cabinate rejected him and appointed James Long as
> >>>
> >>>
> >leader
> >
> >
> >>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had
already
> >>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS
told
> >>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric
Instructions ?
> >>>
> >>>AG
> >>>
> >>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In response to Damian's request for information on the Pt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Loma/Pasadena ES I am
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>sending a summary of a section from a paper I gave at a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Thosophical history
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>conference in California many years ago. It comes from a study
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>secret
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>societies and esoteric groups within the Theosophical
movement.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >I
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>hope to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>complete the work for publication one day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Dr Gregory Tillett
> >>>>
> >>>>De Purucker died suddenly and unexpectedly on September 27,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >1942.
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>He had left
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>specific instructions regarding his successor: the successor
was
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>to "emerge"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>within three years after de Purucker's death, and would be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>recognized by "the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>proper proofs of spiritual leadership". During those three
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >years,
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>the Society
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>was to be ruled by a Cabinet. If no Head emerged, then the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Cabinet was to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>elect a leader.
> >>>>
> >>>>No successor emerged, and the Cabinet elected Colonel Conger.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >The
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ES continued
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>without an OH. De Purucker had made no provision for a
successor
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>to be
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>appointed, but, at ES meetings he had given directions on the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>matter, and these
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>had been published in a confidential ES circular: if within
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >three
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>months after
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >proper
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>proofs of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >failed".
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>The ES was
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>meanwhile administered by a Council.
> >>>>
> >>>>Conger began to make claims to this position. At a meeting of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ES on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>December 21, 1945, Conger claimed to be the OH of the ES. The
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Cabinet divided
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>between those who accepted this claim (including John van
Mater
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>and Grace
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Knoche) and those who rejected it (including Henry Edge and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >Emmett
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Small).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On December 25, ten leading members of the ES (including
Small,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Harrison and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Edge) presented Conger with a statement of protest against his
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>claim. They
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>challenged Conger to demonstrate knowledge of an inner degree
of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>the ES. Conger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>declined to do so.
> >>>>
> >>>>A controversy developed between Conger and his supporters, and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>those who denied
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>his claims. In March, 1946, Conger demanded the resignation
of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>the dissidents.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It seems probable that the majority of members of the ES
within
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>the Point Loma
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Society rejected Conger's claim.
> >>>>
> >>>>At a meeting on Paris 4, 1946, Conger announced the closure of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ES "by the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Master's direction", and declared that esoteric activities
were
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>now "forbidden
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>by the Master". However, in October, 1946, a circular was
sent
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>out announcing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>that ES activities were to be resumed, and those wishing to
take
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>part must sign
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>and return a pledge, whereupon they would receive de
Purucker's
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >ES
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>instructions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Conger died on February 22, 1951, and left a witnessed
document
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>appointing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>William Hartley as his successor. However, the Cabinet
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>unanimously refused to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>recognize Hartley and James Long was appointed as leader.
> >>>>
> >>>>Long claimed that de Purucker had stopped giving out teachings
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>about 1939, and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>that there had been no instruction after that year even in the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>ES. Long
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>finally closed the ES, saying, enigmatically, "the esoteric
has
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>now become
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>exoteric, and the exoteric esoteric".
> >>>>
> >>>>Following Long's death on July 19, 1971, he was succeeded by
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >Grace
> >
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Knoche.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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