Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00305)

Jerry,


I couldn't agree more. We will make many mistakes -- and we can learn from 
them!


Carlos.


> From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter.net>
> Re
reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Heart and the Mind
> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:26:36 -0800
>
> Dear Carlos,
>
> >The challenge is to have a critical mind AND a kind heart.
> >
> >If the critical mind closes the heart, very bad.
> >
> >If the compassionate heart closes the mind -- DISASTER INDEED!
> >
> >The constant connection of both will activate Buddhi-Manas...  won't it?
> >
> I would add to "critical mind" and "kind heart", right knowledge, right
> motivation and right action.
>
> Best
> Jerry
>
>
> carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
>
> >Jerry,
> >
> >No doubt, you are right.
> >
> >I have to agree with your arguments.
> >
> >Of course you know this question is complex and slightly beyond words,
> >but I have to say your point is perfectly well made, thanks.
> >
> >The challenge is to have a critical mind AND a kind heart.
> >
> >If the critical mind closes the heart, very bad.
> >
> >If the compassionate heart closes the mind -- DISASTER INDEED!
> >
> >The constant connection of both will activate Buddhi-Manas...  won't it?
> >
> >Regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter.net>
> >>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Illusions and the Mirror
> >>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:25:45 -0800
> >>
> >>Dear Carlos,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I would add, though, that people have different temperaments and for 
> some
> >>>students devotion is easy and a critical examination is more difficult.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>We
> >>
> >>
> >>>should accept that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I accept the sad reality that devotion is easy and critical examination
> >>more difficult, but am not content with it.  Non critical devotion to an
> >>organization makes it all the easier for that organization to become
> >>corrupt, or continue to be so.  One of my favorite lines from HPB is:
> >>"Theosophy is for those who can think, or who can drive themselves to
> >>think."  I try to encourage Theosophists to strive for the "more
> >>difficult."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>We should not think that by not belonging to any theosophical group we
> >>>
> >>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>
> >>>free from illusions.
> >>>Perhaps thus we are free but from the NASTY MIRROR  that reflects our 
> own
> >>>personal illusions!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Yes, we manufacture and become imprisoned in our own illusions.  There
> >>are also those who find it to their advantage to mislead us--to keep us
> >>in our prisons.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jerry, Friends,
> >>>
> >>>I agree with your views.
> >>>
> >>>I would add, though, that people have different temperaments and for 
> some
> >>>students devotion is easy and a critical examination is more difficult.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>We
> >>
> >>
> >>>should accept that.
> >>>
> >>>On the other hand, an organization can provide a stimulating 
> atmosphere,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>some positive challenges for one to go ahead along the path, even if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>there
> >>
> >>
> >>>is some degree of illusion in that
> >>>organization.
> >>>
> >>>To drop out of all groups may provide a short-term relief, but it  
> takes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>us
> >>
> >>
> >>>away from  the probationary conditions given by theosophical
> >>>
> >>>
> >>organizations,
> >>
> >>
> >>>with their tough tests, their frustrations and illusions...
> >>>
> >>>We should not think that by not belonging to any theosophical group we
> >>>
> >>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>
> >>>free from illusions.
> >>>Perhaps thus we are free but from the NASTY MIRROR  that reflects our 
> own
> >>>personal illusions!
> >>>
> >>>I say this, but I agree with you well-balanced views below.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Regards,  Carlos.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@charter.net>
> >>>>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Did Pasadena TS tell lies under the name 
> of
> >>>>Esoteric Instructions ?
> >>>>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:42:34 -0800
> >>>>
> >>>>Dear Anand,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You said you found honest students in all
> >>>>>organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Indeed I have.  I have found dishonest ones too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You wrote implying members belong to, are and should be loyal to
> >>>>>their organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Actually, I wrote implying that members should pay attention to the
> >>>>organization which they belong and oppose any dishonesty they find
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>there.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Fact is there is no one organization to which
> >>>>>serious students belong. Their goal should be to find the truth from
> >>>>>all sources and organizations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>And this is partly why I am associated with and support all of the
> >>>>Theosophical Organizations as well as other organizations that do
> >>>>related work.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Their goal should be to find the truth from
> >>>>>all sources and organizations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>In my experience, organizations are good for getting information.
> >>>>Ultimately, I find my truths from within. For me, that is the most
> >>>>reliable source.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Loyalty should be to truth and it
> >>>>>should not be blind supporting of organizations of which a person is
> >>>>>member.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Yes, exactly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>My question is still not answered. So it is being written again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>OK
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena TS
> >>>>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was no
> >>>>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific directions,
> >>>>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric School
> >>>>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>>>successor, cabinet rejected him and appointed James Long as leader
> >>>>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already
> >>>>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told
> >>>>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>I think that lies are told in *all* Theosophical Organizations, and 
> are
> >>>>still being told today.  Regarding the Purucker-Conger-Hartley-Long
> >>>>situation, I have in my archives thousands of unpublished documents
> >>>>including letters, minutes of meetings, diary entries etc. concerning
> >>>>this sequence of events.  I have also, over the years, personally
> >>>>interviewed many of the people involved concerning it, including 
> Emmett
> >>>>Small, Kirby van Mater, and Judith Tyberg.  If you ever come to the
> >>>>United States, you are welcome to visit us, examine the documents, and
> >>>>come to your own conclusions.
> >>>>
> >>>>In the mean time, there is in the back issues of Theosophical History 
> an
> >>>>article on Conger by Alan Donant and a reply by Kenneth Small which
> >>>>addresses many of the issues and should give you a feel for the 
> opposing
> >>>>views on this issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Best wishes,
> >>>>Jerry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dear Jerry,
> >>>>>Thanks for info. You said you found honest students in all
> >>>>>organization. That is true but point I wrote is different.
> >>>>>You wrote implying members belong to, are and should be loyal to
> >>>>>their organization. Fact is there is no one organization to which
> >>>>>serious students belong. Their goal should be to find the truth from
> >>>>>all sources and organizations. Loyalty should be to truth and it
> >>>>>should not be blind supporting of organizations of which a person is
> >>>>>member.
> >>>>>My question is still not answered. So it is being written again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >>>>>Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>if within three months after
> >>>>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the proper
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>proofs of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have failed".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena TS
> >>>>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was no
> >>>>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific directions,
> >>>>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric School
> >>>>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>>>successor, cabinet rejected him and appointed James Long as leader
> >>>>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already
> >>>>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told
> >>>>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>AG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Hejka-Ekins <jjhe@...>
> >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Dear Anand, Friends,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Let's put it this way: in 1895, those who felt lied to, sided with
> >>>>>>either Besant or Judge, depending upon who they believed was
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>telling the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>truth.  Accordingly, those who felt lied in in 1945-46, sided with
> >>>>>>either Conger, or with the dissenting Board members, depending
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>upon who
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>they believed was telling the truth.  In 1951, those who felt lied
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sided with either Long or with Hartley, depending upon...well, you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>know....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>By 1931 there were dozens of "Theosophical" organizations
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>populated by
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Theosophists who believed that they have been lied to.  Who is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>going to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>cut through the Gordian knot and tell us who are the liars and who
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>the truth tellers?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I have met the leaders of all these factions and others too.  They
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>strike me as sincere and dedicated people trying to promulgate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>to the best of their ability.  Isn't that good enough?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Perhaps the Theosophical Movement is better off with its multitude
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>expressions coming from many organizations.  Now, students of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>have different schools to compare.  They can choose the one (on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>ones)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>which best meet their temperament.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I submit that the most constructive thing a member of a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Theosophical
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>organization can do is to keep an eye on their own organization
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>and make
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sure that those in charge are being honest.  Let the members of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>organizations keep watch on their own leaders.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Best
> >>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Anand Gholap wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Let us analyse facts given in message 30270.
> >>>>>>>Purucker wrote in ES circular
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>if within three months after
> >>>>>>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>proper
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>proofs of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>failed".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>No such leader or Outer Head of ES emerged, which meant Pasadena
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>TS
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>failed, there was no ES after Purucker's death and so there was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>no
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Outer Head of ES in Pasadena TS. Despite these specific
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>directions,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>in 1945, Conger claimed to be the Outer Head of the Esoteric
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>School
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>which had ceased to exist. He appointed William Hartley as
> >>>>>>>successor, cabinate rejected him and appointed James Long as
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>leader
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>in 1951. James Long closed ES and told that Purucker had already
> >>>>>>>stopped ES instructions in 1939. Does that mean Pasadena TS told
> >>>>>>>lies during 1939 to 1951 under the name of Esoteric Instructions ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>AG
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In response to Damian's request for information on the Pt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Loma/Pasadena ES I am
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sending a summary of a section from a paper I gave at a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thosophical history
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>conference in California many years ago. It comes from a study
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>secret
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>societies and esoteric groups within the Theosophical movement.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>hope to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>complete the work for publication one day.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Dr Gregory Tillett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>De Purucker died suddenly and unexpectedly on September 27,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>1942.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>He had left
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>specific instructions regarding his successor: the successor was
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>to "emerge"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>within three years after de Purucker's death, and would be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>recognized by "the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>proper proofs of spiritual leadership".  During those three
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>years,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>the Society
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>was to be ruled by a Cabinet.  If no Head emerged, then the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Cabinet was to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>elect a leader.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No successor emerged, and the Cabinet elected Colonel Conger.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>The
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>ES continued
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>without an OH. De Purucker had made no provision for a successor
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>to be
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>appointed, but, at ES meetings he had given directions on the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>matter, and these
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>had been published in a confidential ES circular: if within
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>three
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>months after
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>de Purucker's death or disappearance no-one could give "the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>proper
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>proofs of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>spiritual leadership", "then you will know that you have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>failed".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>The ES was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>meanwhile administered by a Council.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Conger began to make claims to this position.  At a meeting of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>December 21, 1945, Conger claimed to be the OH of the ES.  The
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> >>>>>>>and Grace
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> >>>>>>>>On December 25, ten leading members of the ES (including Small,
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> >>>>>>>>Edge) presented Conger with a statement of protest against his
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> >>>>>>>claim.  They
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> >>>>>>>>challenged Conger to demonstrate knowledge of an inner degree of
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> >>>>>>>>declined to do so.
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> >>>>>>>>A controversy developed between Conger and his supporters, and
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>those who denied
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>his claims.  In March, 1946, Conger demanded the resignation of
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>the dissidents.
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>It seems probable that the majority of members of the ES within
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>the Point Loma
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Society rejected Conger's claim.
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> >>>>>>>>At a meeting on Paris 4, 1946, Conger announced the closure of
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> >>>>>>>>by the Master".  However, in October, 1946, a circular was sent
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> >>>>>>>out announcing
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> >>>>>>>>that ES activities were to be resumed, and those wishing to take
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> >>>>>>>>and return a pledge, whereupon they would receive de Purucker's
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>Conger died on February 22, 1951, and left a witnessed document
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>appointing
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> >>>>>>>>William Hartley as his successor.  However, the Cabinet
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> >>>>>>>unanimously refused to
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>recognize Hartley and James Long was appointed as leader.
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> >>>>>>>>Long claimed that de Purucker had stopped giving out teachings
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> >>>>>>>about 1939, and
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> >>>>>>>>that there had been no instruction after that year even in the
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> >>>>>>>ES.  Long
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>finally closed the ES, saying, enigmatically, "the esoteric has
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>now become
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> >>>>>>>>exoteric, and the exoteric esoteric".
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> >>>>>>>>Following Long's death on July 19, 1971, he was succeeded by
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