Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00251)

How sad, considering the opportunities that were placed before her!  Spiritual egotism/arrogance it appears is the hardest test of all!

Cass

krsanna <timestar@timestar.org> wrote: You're probably right, Cass.  She was very busy with her own 
interests.  New churches require a lot of work.  Being the World 
Mother to the World Teacher child takes time and energy.  Annie 
Besant was a political activist before her Theosophical career.  
Theosophy took her career in new directions:

"Besant's passive-aggressive demure when publicly confronted with 
Judge's defense was mind blowing.  When confronted with the complete 
lack of evidence for her claims that Judge had forged letters, 
Besant publicly stated that she didn't mean forgery in the usual 
sense, i.e., she didn't mean he was forging documents per se.  She 
really meant forgery in a different sense.  Judge responded that it 
would be necessary to view the plane of causation to make that 
judgement call.  Besant backed down in public forum then reorganized 
her attack while simultaneously withholding evidence from Judge and 
providing it to others without Judge having the opportunity to see 
it. Besant was an accomplished passive-aggressive."

Best regards,
Krsanna



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva  wrote:
>
> Krsanna, you wrote 
> 
> What the hey do Theosophical leaders call brotherhood? I 
wondered.  
> How did these apparent cannibals calling themselves a society of 
> brotherhood deal with the Civil Rights Movement in America?
> 
> Perhaps they didn't involve themselves because they were too busy 
with their personal agenda. 
> 
> I read many years ago that Annie Besant was a suffrajet (could 
never remember correct spelling)
> prior to meeting HPB.
> 
> Perhaps it is all part of a natural cycle of events that karmically
> is meant to occur.  I have heard it said that the black folk in 
America were
> the rulers in Atlantis and they themselves in other lives embraced 
slavery
> of others.  Their karma now is to endure that which they
> perpetuated.  Could be an old wives tale though.
> 
> My understanding of the TS in Melbourne is to assist at a personal 
level without
> getting actively involved.
> 
> Cass
>  
> 
> 
> krsanna  wrote: Reading about Besant and Olcott's 
attacks against Judge -- in the 
> name of brotherhood, mind you -- is what first interested me in 
> identifying what Theosophists call brotherhood.  Besant's passive-
> aggressive demure when publicly confronted with Judge's defense 
was 
> mind blowing.  When confronted with the complete lack of evidence 
> for her claims that Judge had forged letters, Besant publicly 
stated 
> that she didn't mean forgery in the usual sense, i.e., she didn't 
> mean he was forging documents per se.  She really meant forgery in 
a 
> different sense.  Judge responded that it would be necessary to 
view 
> the plane of causation to make that judgement call.  Besant backed 
> down in public forum then reorganized her attack while 
> simultaneously withholding evidence from Judge and providing it to 
> others without Judge having the opportunity to see it. Besant was 
an 
> accomplished passive-aggressive. 
> 
> What the hey do Theosophical leaders call brotherhood? I 
wondered.  
> How did these apparent cannibals calling themselves a society of 
> brotherhood deal with the Civil Rights Movement in America?  
> 
> What did the Mahatmas expect from brotherhood?  How did they 
define 
> brotherhood when desiring to see it among Theosophists?  Why did 
the 
> Mahatmas place brotherhood above practicing the occult?  
> 
> My conclusion, by the way, is that asking for brotherhood was the 
> best thing the Mahatmas could have done.  By publicly proclaiming 
> brotherhood and privately cannibalizing their brothers, the 
> perpetrators of passive-aggression create their own noose in a 
> karmic sense that will ultimately force them into better 
> understanding of brotherhood.  It may take a while.
> 
> Krsanna
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krsanna"  wrote:
> >
> > 1.  The example is "Hitler's Second Book: The Unpublished Sequel 
> to 
> > Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler" available at Amazon.com, first 
> published 
> > in English in 2003.  The manuscript was tied up in legal and 
> > academic research for decades.  The most recent example of 
> America's 
> > dealings with Native Americans is the Eloise Cobell case against 
> the 
> > U.S. that has been in federal court for several years.  You can 
> > Google "Cobell vs" to find it.  The Cobell case represents long-
> > standing federal policy in dealing with Indians, that is now 
being 
> > staunchly questioned in the courts.  In 2002, a federal judge 
held 
> > employees of the Department of the Interior in contempt of court 
> for 
> > repeatedly refusing to account for their handling of Indians in 
> > cases as recent as 1990.  
> > 
> > The behavior questioned in the Cobell case is mild compared to 
> early 
> > instances of genocide under the guidance of Andrew Jackson.  You 
> > didn't ask me about what Andrew Jackson did, but you could start 
> > with Supreme Court rulings in the early 19th century which 
> declared 
> > the land grab that Jackson orchestrated illegal.  Jackson had 
the 
> > army and conducted blatant genocide to accomplish his desires, 
> > knowing full well the illegality of his actions.  Things got 
worse 
> > for Indians from that time.  
> > 
> > 2.  Of course I looked to find Theosophical work in the Civil 
> Rights 
> > Movement.  I didn't have to look far to find Gandhi's 
involvement 
> in 
> > India's independence and Nehru's assistance to Tibet.  
> > 
> > Krsanna Duran
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky  wrote:
> > >
> > > krsanna wrote:
> > > > Amen! Americans rarely acknowledge that America was Hitler's 
> > > > inspiration for confining and eliminating inferior races, 
and 
> > that 
> > > > he wrote about how well America had handled American Indians 
> by 
> > > > isolating them on "federal reservations," that were often as 
> > cruel 
> > > > as Hitler's concentration camps. 
> > > 
> > >  Can you give ONE example of this?
> > > 
> > >  > American President Andrew Jackson
> > > > pioneered biological warfare by infecting blankets with 
> > smallpox, 
> > > > rounding up Indian children, women and men at gunpoint in 
the 
> > middle 
> > > > of the winter and giving them the smallpox infected 
blankets.  
> > > 
> > >  The French pioneered it during the French and Indian war. 
> > Please give 
> > > documentation that Andrew Jackson even used it.
> > > 
> > > > American Indians do not have immunity to childhood diseases 
> > common 
> > > > in Europe, i.e., measles and smallpox.  This lack of 
immunity 
> is 
> > > > part of American Indian genetics and America's government 
used 
> > it to 
> > > > exterminate the Indians who had legal claims to their 
> > homelands.  
> > > 
> > >  Can you document this, or are you making this up, as well?
> > > 
> > > > inferiors was still practiced in America during World War 
II.  
> > One 
> > > > of the first things I noticed about theosophical hypocracies 
> was 
> > > > that I have never once seen a single comment in theosophical 
> > > > literature about the Civil Rights Movement that Rosa Parks 
> began 
> > in 
> > > > 1954 when she refused to give up her seat to a White man.  
> > > 
> > >  Have you looked?
> > > 
> > > > Why didn't an organization dedicated to brotherhood get out 
on 
> > the 
> > > > line and march with Rosa Parks?  Why didn't Theosophists 
write 
> > about 
> > > > the Civil Rights Movement to integrate America's schools, 
> > > > businesses, and churches the way Gandhi worked to liberate 
> India?
> > > 
> > >  Because the Theosophical Society itself is enjoined from 
> > getting 
> > > involved in politics, although individual members are 
encouraged 
> > to do so.
> > > 
> > >  Bart
> > >
> >
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