Daniel and "David Green"
Mar 05, 2006 07:14 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Dear friends,
It was Paul Johnson who brought to us evidence according to which Daniel
Caldwell created several false persons, thus using fraud to attack
theosophists and theosophical groups under names like "David Green", "Terry
Hobbes" and others.
What did Daniel Caldwell, then?
Instead of answering to Paul Johnson, he immediately disappeared.
Best regards, Carlos.
From: leonmaurer@aol.com
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TPH & Recent Libels Against HPB
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:19:52 EST
In a message dated 3/4/06 4:52:00 PM, robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com
writes:
> >Theosophists and others,
> >
> >The following letter has one basic failure of understanding that belies
> >every statement it makes or conclusion it implies. And that
understanding
> >is that; A true "Historian" can only report *everything* that is
pertinent
> >to the *truth* of *exactly* what happened, including what anyone said
or
> >wrote, at any particular time in history -- without making any personal
> >judgments or opinions about any of it.
>
> It seems to me that this is exactly what Daniel refuses to do, make a
> personal judgment. If he believes the Coulombs and Solovyoffs of this
> world, he should have the courage to say so and argue why they should be
> taken seriously. If he believes, as others have argued, that much of
what
> they say is fabricated (hence lies), he should have the courage to come
out
> strong in support of HPB. What Daniel does instead (intentionally or
not)
> is insidious. He repeats the lies without any argument at all (he
simply
> states that some of the points of view are from enemies, as if enemies
and
> liars are the same thing). Some would argue that this lack of taking a
> stance is cowardice at best, and diabolical at its worst.
>
> Depends on whether or not Daniel wrote his book simply as an unbiased
historian or as a biased theosophist or pseudo theosophist with some sort
of ax to
grind. My argument is that we should not allow ourselves to prejudge that
issue, and if either is true, then Carlos is still wrong in his personal
harassment of Daniel based on suspician alone with respect to another
unrelated issue
(i.e., Daniel's supposed fraud of using a pseudonym and his "guilty until
proven innocent" silence).
>
> >This is something that the author has to Learn -- so that he can
understand
> >why his own personal opinions, implied, insinuated or otherwise, have
no
> >validity whatsoever, and are nothing more than unfounded gossip when
they
> >pertain to the motives or actions of anyone else.
>
> These are not opinions, Carlos is arguing that there is a difference
between
> liars and enemies and liars do not deserve the same treatment as
enemies.
> Enemies are to be respected because they believe they are dealing with
the
> truth. Liars know they are not. When looking at a body of evidence
> presented by one party (for instance the Coulombs), when some of that
> evidence is shown to be fabricated, then it shows that that party has
> deliberately misled (like the Coulombs), and nothing they say can be
> trusted. If you as a historian want to repeat some aspect of these
proven
> liars testimony, then the onus of proof is on you. Prove that this
aspect
> of their testimony is valid, otherwise your behavior is immoral as it
does
> nothing but sully the reputation of an innocent person by repitition of
> garbage.
>
Carlos is arguing nothing of the kind, since his harassment of Daniel is
based on suspician of his supposed fraud. The issue of whether Daniel is
obligated to defend Blavatsky against the lies of her enemies or not is
another
matter altogether. I am satisfied to believe he may have thought he was
writing a
true history of the circumstances and was simply presenting all sides of
the
issue with sufficient indication about what was proven to be lies and what
was
not. Having read all that was said about those circumstances by many
authors, I have never had any trouble
>
> >His taking on the role of prosecutor, judge and jury is far more
insidious
> >and untheosophical than the purported actions of someone he repeatedly
> >implies, besides remaining silent in the face of such unproved
accusations
> >(as HPB did with her attackers) has committed some kind of fraud by
> >reporting the truth of what happened to HPB, and publishing all the so
> >called evidential comments and writings of those that attacked as well
as
> >defended her -- without his own personal comment or opinions... And
letting
> >the readers judge for themselves what is true or false, and who is
right or
> >wrong, innocent or guilty.
>
> Deal with the argument, Leon. The arguments of enemies are to be
treated
> with respect, the words of liars need not be accorded any respect. If
you
> believe the Coulombs, etc. to be other than liars, argue for them. To
> attack Carlos for trying to stand up for someone he has a great deal of
> respect for is ludicrous. Once people are shown to be liars, their
words
> are "evidence" only in proceedings against them (libel, contempt of
court,
> etc.).
>
You've gone way offbase here. The argument I was dealing with had nothing
to
do with Daniels respect or disrespect for the lies of the coulombs or the
guilt or innocence of HPB. It was directed solely toward pointing out
Carlos
gossip-like harassment of Daniel based on hearsay evidence of his
supposedly
fraudulent action. Carlos has used the argument that he is defending HPB
as a
smokescreen to cover up his obvious personal attacks on another contributor
here
by inference and innuendo that I called him on in public forum. I have no
reason to defend those actions dased on your reasonable but misplaced
criticism
of my position.
> >As further advice to students of theosophy, the judgment of HPB's
> teachings
> >are dependent only on the teachings themselves, and not on her personal
> >life or actions, regardless of whether one approves of them or not.
>
> Certainly the above is true, but this does not make it open season on
her
> reputation. When is it permissable to start sullying your name? Now?
One
> minute after your death? A year? Hopefully as theosophists we will all
> stand by you even after your death and not let lies diminish your memory
in
> the eyes of the world.
> >
> >Henceforth, I intend to trash such personalized, propaganda-like
letters
> >before wasting my time reading them. What anyone else does about
them, is
> >strictly their own business.
>
> Your prerogative,
>
> Bruce
> >
> >LHM
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 3/4/06 11:08:53 AM, carlosaveline@hotmail.com
writes:
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >
> >In the year 2000, the Theosophical Publishing House/Quest Books
published
> >the unfortunate volume "The Esoteric World of Madame Blavatsky", by
Daniel
> >Caldwell.
> >
> >This 451 pp. book is a collection of testimonies, false and true,
about
> >the
> >life of H. P. Blavatsky. With this book, Daniel Caldwell inaugurated
a
> >new
> > "editorial policy" adopted by the Adyar Theosophical Society in
America
> >,
> >which consists of publishing lies and libels invented by the old
enemies of
> >H. P. Blavatsky and of the theosophical movement as if they were
authentic
> >documents.
> >
> >The new editorial "policy" also includes publishing these false
accusations
> >scattered amidst authentic documents, which makes it harder for the
> >unexperienced student to identify the falsehoods whose effect - if
> >unresisted - would be killing HPB´s memory and destroying its
spiritual
> >vibration at the moral, ethical and occult levels, which are inevitably
> >interconnected.
> >
> >Thus HPB´s image could be apparently put at the same level as some
other
> >"theosophical" leaders, perhaps. In the disgusting volume "The Esoteric
> >World of Madame Blavatsky" - while believing the editor has selected
> >truthful documents - the reader will bump into many of the lies
written
> >against HPB. There he will see two texts by Emma Coulomb (pp. 35-36
and
> >pp.
> >210-215) with no word from the "editor" Daniel Cadlwell admitting he is
> >publishing documents which have no trace of truth in them whatsoever.
> >
> >Caldwell´s book also contains two texts by Mr. Solovyov with attacks
> >against
> >HPB; one false testimony by Mr. Richard Hodgson, several false
accusations
> >against HPB made by Moncure D. Conway and many other unjust attacks
aimed
> >at
> >her who is not here to defend herself. The disgusting material
includes
> >utter disrespect for two Sacred Teachers and Their names, in one of the
> >libels signed by Emma Coulomb.
> >
> >Its reproduction by a Publishing House which calls itself
"Theosophical"
> >is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits
of
> >absurdity. HPB wrote long enough in The Key to Theosophy about the
abuse
> >of sacred names, even when the cause of such a desecration is not a
> >collection of deliberate lies against the theosophical philosophy.
> >
> >
> >As to this kind of action, there are two levels of karma: the karma of
> >actively publishing lies against the Masters and HPB, and the karma of
> >anyone who knows about this and does nothing. This will not be the
karma
> >of earnest students. In the Preliminary Memorandum of the Esoteric
Section
> >of Theosophical Society, issued in 1888, Mrs. Blavatsky made an
inspiring
> >quotation from the Book of Discipline in the schools of Dzyan and from
a
> >letter of a Master: "He who wipeth not away the filth with which the
> >parent´s body have been defiled by an enemy, neither loves the parent
nor
> >honours himself. He who defendeth not the persecuted and the helpless
> >(...)
> >has been born too soon in human shape." I can only humbly aggree with
> >these wise words.
> >
> >It is true that the editor of "The Esoteric World of Madame Blavatsky"
> >wrote at the preface of the book:
> >
> >"These reminiscenses by her relatives, acquaintances, friends,
> >co-workers,
> >and enemies give a vivid portrayal of Madame Blavatsky´s personality
and
> >allow the reader to enter into the historical milieu of her time."
> >
> >But he forgot the profound difference between an enemy and a liar.
> >
> >An enemy, says the dictionary, is an adversary or an opponent - often
an
> >honest person. A liar is a person who tells lies - or who knowingly
helps
> >propagating them. Enemies may say unpleasant truths and we should be
able
> >to
> >learn from them. The problem is not with enemies, then, but with false
> >testimonies. The editor of "The Esoteric World of Madame Blavatsky"
> >wrongly called "reminiscenses" the old, well-known falsehoods and
proved
> >lies. He and TPH-Wheaton considered them beautiful enough to go to
the
> >public.
> >
> >O o o O o o O o o O
> >
> >Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >O o o O o o O o o O
> >
> >
> >NOTE:
> >
> >The paragraphs above are part of my text "The Embellishment of Truth",
> >published in "FOHAT", the magazine of the Edmonton Theosophical
Society,
> >Canada, in the Summer 2005 issue.
> >
> >O o o O o o O o o O
>
>
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