Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00739)

HPB totally opposed mediumship because it strengthened the siddhis and lead away from the spiritual path.  It seems again, that Sinnett, Leadbeater and Besant acted in direct opposition to the teachings in the Secret Doctrine.
Cass
carlosaveline cardoso aveline <carlosaveline@hotmail.com> wrote: 

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Sinnett,  "Mary" and CWL's Fancies

THE  MAP  OF  THE  CHESS  GAME

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Dear Krishtar,


You are absolutetly right.

It all began with the medium "Mary" in Mr. Sinnett's "inner circle".

Soon CW Leadbeater joined as co-medium.

In 1894, Mrs. Annie Besant joined, too, and she was the "outer head" of the 
Esoteric School, Adyar.

Few people were humble and realistic enough to admit that outer, verbal 
contacts with Masters had ceased when HPB went away.

The period of wild fancies began to end in the 1940s and 1950s, yet the old 
power-structure,
created by AB and CWL and having all such fancies as its origin, still goes 
on losing strength little by little.

Ms. Radha's policy, for instance, is not to promote these fancies.

She privately admits they are but fancies.

Yet she avoids this being put clearly on the table. Joy Mill's position iis 
rather similar, perhaps a little bit more outspoken as to CWL being as fraud 
(but privately only)

Pedro Oliveira and other Liberal Catholic Church people, on the other hand,  
actively defend CWL.

John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell go further and actively attack HPB, even if 
in a disguised form. Their goal seems to be  to avoid HPB being 
"rediscovered" by Adyar members.  Daniel may work on this using diferent 
"names", if Paul Johnson's documented texts on his pseudo-persons  are 
correct.

We are beginning to look and see beyond all those fancies and political 
games by now.

Fancies started with Sinnett, indeed,  and Leadbeater learned from him on 
how to forge, or how to fancy, contacts with the Masters.  Sinnett described 
this process quite honestly, and he truly believed in such mediumnistitc 
pseudo-contacts.


Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline


>From: krishtar 
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Theos-World On Scott-Elliot - quem vive da mente, mente.
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:16:50 -0300
>
>Hi  Friends and Carlos:
>
>Let me so better understand :
>Was that same  " Mary"  that used to claim to be a channel, an intermedium
>between the master M and AP Sinnett during the period of time in which
>Sinnett was trying to be in contact with the mahatmas independently of 
>HPB�s
>activities?
>In his Bio he also wrote that the master said, in a s�ance,  that he should
>not tell HPB about the  <>> contact because HPB could be jeallous
>somehow.
>So, if it�s true, didn�t the master say that he was not in contact with 
>this
>Mary and that the only channel was HPB? I can�t remember if this occasion
>was indeed about this  woman in special.
>So I gess that AP Sinnett was responsible by the  distortions and
>mistifications brought by CWL that fed the Adyar�s attraction for psychic
>contacts and experiments.
>So it was not CWL that, besides AB, started the investigations in the 
>occult
>field, but mediums of the class of a  certain Mary who were used as
>instruments?
>If it is so, I can now understand why today�s spiritist books, mainly in
>Brasil,  get so similar
>to those explanations given in books from Leadbeater and Annie Besant.
>In portuguese I could  quote " quem vive da mente, mente!", which means
>approximately " the one who lives relying in his mind, lies".
>Mind is aways playing tricks on us.
>
>Krishtar
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:10 PM
>Subject: Theos-World On Scott-Elliot
>
>
>
>
>Dear Theo,
>
>You will find something, at least,  in "Theosophical History".
>
>His wife was "Mary", the medium who purported to talk to Masters in s�ances
>in the "inner group" organized by A. P. Sinnett.
>
>It was there that C. W. Leadbeater started to "talk to the Masters".  The
>magazine "Theosophical History" published the revealing "Autobiography" of
>Mr. Alfred Sinnett, in which he frankly tells all about it.  Scott-Eliot 
>was
>also a member of such a mediumnistic group.
>
>When Sinnett died, Leadbeater wrote that in the 1890s his "inner group" 
>made
>important "occult investigations", and so on.  Sinnett also says that Annie
>Besant joined that
>mediumnistic group after HPB's death, that is, while AB was already the
>"Outer Head" of the Esoteric School, Adyar.
>
>So it seems that the occult fancies started precisely in Sinnett's inner
>group with "Mary", a pseudonymn for Scott-Elliot's wife.
>
>I hope that helps, even if marginally.  If you want me to, I can give you
>the bibliographical  references.
>
>
>Carlos.
>
>
> >From: Theo Paijmans 
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World request biographical information on Scott-Elliot
> >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:04:56 +0100
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Does anyone have - or know where to find - biographical information on
> >Scott-Elliot, the author of The Story of Atlantis and The Lost Lemuria?
> >I am not abel to find it at all in the usual theosophical sources.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Theo
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