Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00634)

In their relationship with Blavatsky, the Mahatmas demonstrated the 
ability to appear and disappear, to precipitate letters to those 
whom they wished to communicate, and to establish direct 
communication with those whom they wished to develop relationships.  
Several direct relationships with the Mahatmas' are described 
in "Letters From The Masters of the Wisdom."  

If the Mahatmas had desired to establish direct relationships with 
Besant, Ledbeater, Sinnett and others, they were fully capable of 
doing that, as demonstrated by the evidences of their relationship 
with Blavatsky.  While in telepathic (or psychic) communication with 
Blavatsky, they also demonstrated many physical artifacts with her.  
The Mahatmas could have affirmed special relationships with many 
that claimed special connections if they had wished to do so.  

In parsing through the truth or untruth of proclaimed leaders who 
followed Blavatsky in the Theosophical Movement, a good place to 
start is identifying any public endorsement or evidence the Mahatmas 
gave to the indivduals making claims to special relationships with 
the Masters of the Wisdom.  This would go a long ways towards 
identify who had significant connections with the Mahatmas and take 
the debate out of the realm of sheer opinion.  

An excel spreadsheet would be an easy place to start by listing the 
means by which the Mahatmas publicly endorsed Blavatsky on an "X" 
axis.  A list of names of those claiming to have special 
relationships with the Mahatmas comparable to Blavatsky's could then 
be put on a "Y" axis, noting any evidence publicly provided to 
support their claims of association with the Mahatmas with the dates 
the public demonstration was made.  

The last letter from a Mahatma was received in 1900.  After 
Blavatsky's death, Olcott said that he had not received any 
communication from the Mahatmas with any objective evidence.  

As I stated in an earlier post, psychics, saints and psychotics have 
been hearing voices since the beginning of time.  The trick is to 
get them to tell the truth.  

A simple evidenciary trail of communication with the Mahatmas might 
be useful in this case.  A long list of individuals who claimed 
special knowledge but had no evidence to support their claims would 
be easily developed.  

The rest is history.

It is entirely possible that this had already been done, and I 
missed the trail because I'm new to the list.

Best regards,
Krsanna Duran



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@...> wrote:

Hello Gregory and All,
While it maybe true that CWL never claimed adeptship as far as I 
know, he certainly did 
claim to be in regular communication with very lofty beings such as 
the "Christ" Himself 
and the Maha-Chohan the "Lord of the World" ect..

He gave very elaborate descriptions of these beings in his book 
`Masters and the path'

http://www.teozofia.org/czytelnia/mp2.pdf

He also describe initiations ?!? and told people when they had 
been "initiated" even when 
they had no knowledge of it themselves?!?

This kind of awareness I would imagine required adeptic powers as 
these processes are 
said to happen on a Soul level.
Ordinary psychic vision would as far as my understanding goes not be 
sufficient to make 
these kind of pronouncements.

CWL always used a very a very matter of fact style that disarmed 
people into believing him.

He also used throw away lines like `don't believe me, develop 
psychic powers and see for 
yourself'....however his style was in reality one of paternalistic 
down talking & 
disempowerment while on the surface sounding  "oh so humble" as old 
Uriah Heep said.
Many of his statements are by implication and thus all the more 
insidious  in there power 
to enamour, dis-empower and disengage the intellect imo.

Cheers

Perry 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, gregory@ wrote:
>
> Regarding the 1925 "revelations":
> 
> The revelations regarding "occult advancements" and such were 
given,
> essentially, by Arundale, but sometimes by Wedgwood. The 
announcement of the
> "Apostles" was given by Arundale, but (partly) publicly disclosed 
by Besant
> (without identifying Arundale as the source). Published accounts 
of the
> "revelations" are found in the writings of Emily and Mary Lutyens. 
I received
> further details of them from Rex Henry, Wedgwood's secretary at 
the time, and
> from Mary Lutyens.
> 
> Leadbeater did not accept, and indeed privately rejected, 
the "revelations":
> there are published accounts of his reaction in works by Ernest 
Wood and Adrian
> Vreede (who were with him when he received the news). Dick Balfour-
Clarke, who
> was present when Leadbeater received the cable about 
the "Apostles", gave me a
> detailed account of his reaction in an interview at Adyar. 
Leadbeater did not,
> however, publicly repudiate the "revelations" for fear of 
splitting the TS. The
> Lutyens' books confirm that Leadbeater did not accept 
the "revelations".
> 
> Krishnamurti also rejected the "revelations" and arranged for 
Professor Marcault
> of "The World University" to communicate this fact to Besant. It 
may be that
> this was the catalyst for her sudden and rapid physical and 
psychological
> deterioration.
> 
> Arundale told Krishnamurti (allegedly passing on a message from 
the Mahachohan)
> that unless he (K) accepted the "revelations" his brother, Nitya, 
would die.
> While on ship to India, Krishnamurti received the news of Nitya's 
death.
> Krishnamurti's attitude to his supposed role and to the TS clearly 
changed
> dramatically from that time.
> 
> As for Wedgwood's health, physical and psychological: he had 
acquired an
> addiction to cocaine during his time in Paris in the 1920's and 
had contracted
> syphilis for which he refused treatment, apparently on the grounds 
that a
> person of his exalted occult status could not suffer from such a 
disease. These
> claims have been substantiated in interview with Rex Henry, a 
secretary and
> close friend of Wedgwood in the 1920's and by documents left by 
E.L.Gardner
> (who was responsible for having Wedgwood looked after in his 
latter years).
> Wedgwood declined both physically and psychologically, 
particularly after he
> settled at the TS centre at Tekels Park, near Camberley, in 1937. 
He died in
> 1951 after a fall in which he broke several ribs and ruptured a 
lung.
> 
> Dr Gregory Tillett
>

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