Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00522)

Since Mr Carlos continues to ridicule and demean a highly learned and 
much gifted fellow theosophist - one who is unable to speak for 
himself and one who by all accounts was a kindly, gentle person who 
would not defend himself or criticize others even while alive, I 
think I will go out on a limb and make some pretty wild statements 
myself. 

That way, Carlos can have a more contemporary target of ridicule. I 
am sure, it must be more fun to ridicule someone who is around to 
know about it. And who are we to deny Senor Carlos his kicks?

Just like Leadbeater, I am not asking any of you to believe in any 
this. Of course, it would be nice if you considered the information 
seriously, instead of dismissing it out of hand. Then you can decide, 
with an open heart and mind, how much truth there is in it (maybe 
10%, maybe less).

To begin: the Earth is not a very special planet in this Solar System.

All planets in the solar system are inhabited by living beings in 
various stages of evolution.

Most planets except a couple of them are more evolved than the earth.

So a second class theosophist on a third class planet is a rather 
lowly creature (I am being facetious of course, there are no third 
class planets or people, the less evolved will eventually catch up - 
it is just a matter of time).

All the life forms on the more evolved planets have bodies made of 
etheric matter (similar to out etheric bodies without the 
corresponding dense physical sheath). These etheric bodies and their 
etheric surroundings are not visible to the human eye or to 
instruments made of physical matter. However these etheric beings are 
visible to human beings in their astral bodies. The etheric bodies 
are otherwise similar to physical human bodies - they are born and 
they die, they need food (made of etheric matter), they metabolize, 
they rest and they sleep (etheric bodies should not be confused with 
astral bodies which do not need food or sleep).   

In spite of being a planet at a low stage of evolution, the earth is 
very important and may be the most important one at this moment in 
history - this is because earth is the planet where the battle 
between good and evil is being fought and the results of this battle 
will be known in the next several years (this battle may be material 
for another post since we are now talking about Leadbeater and Mars).

Mars happens to be slightly more evolved than the earth and more 
advanced technologically. Martians (and also Venusians and 
Mercurians - Carlos will bring these up soon), do travel to earth 
frequently and  they spend a lot of time anxiously watching the 
events occurs (anxious because of the ongoing battle which is coming 
to a head). The law does not allow them to interfere with events on 
earth, so they only do things like leave around crop circles (see 
http://www.temporarytemples.co.uk/2005/index.html ). The Earth's 
Hierarchy is watching too (but they don't get anxious).

Now back to Leadbeater - he got most of his information about life on 
Mars (and maybe on other planets) during his travels in the astral 
world. How accurate was he? The astral world is full of distortion 
and illusions, it is very easy to be mistaken. If Leadbeater was 
right more than 60% of the time, that would be a major achievement. 
However, I don't believe he meant to deceive or mislead anyone, he 
just stated the truth as he saw it. For instance, I am told that Mars 
is more densely populated than the earth, but Leadbeater seems to 
disagree.

By the way, there is someone in this group who claims to be able to 
travel in the astral world 'easily'. I would not put much trust in 
him. He is a trickster - besides he is peddling some stuff about 
psionics which I have absolutely no idea about, but sounds rather 
dodgy.

Regards,

Dave
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> 
> Our Ambassador To The Red Planet?
> 
> C.W. LEADBEATER ON THE SOCIAL
> 
> AND POLITICAL LIFE  OF THE MARTIANS
> 
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> 
> 
> By Carlos Cardoso Aveline
> 
> 
> During his unlikely visits to the red planet, the liberal catholic 
priest 
> Charles Leadbeater spent some time observing the political 
structures of the 
> physical-plane Martian civilization he thought he saw.
> 
> After discussing the houses, cities and the cultural life in that 
planet,  
> his fancy made him write:
> 
> "On every hand one sees signs of a very old civilization, for the 
> inhabitants have preserved the tradition of all that was known when 
the 
> great life-wave of humanity occupied the planet, and have since 
added to it 
> many discoveries. Electricity seems to be practically the  sole 
motive 
> power, and all sorts of labor-saving machines are universally 
employed."
> 
> This, by the way,  is  quite similar to the terrestrial conditions 
in which 
> Leadbeater was living.
> 
> It seems that the Bishop was not very fond of the Martians, as he 
accuses 
> them of being indolent:
> 
> "The people are on the whole distinctly indolent, especially after 
they have 
> passed their first youth. But the comparatively small size of the 
population 
> enables them to live very easily. They have trained various kinds 
of 
> domestic animals to a far higher condition of intelligent 
cooperation  than 
> has yet been achieved on earth, so that a great deal of servant's 
and 
> gardener's work is done by these creatures with comparatively 
little 
> direction."
> 
> According to Leadbeater, the Martian government is autocratic,  but 
there is 
> a monarchy, like in his native England.  The interplanetary 
ritualistic 
> clairvoyant writes:
> 
> "One autocratic ruler governs the whole planet, but the monarchy is 
not 
> hereditary. Polygamy is practiced but it is the custom to hand over 
the 
> children to the State at a very early age to be reared and 
educated, so that 
> among the vast majority of the people there is no family tradition 
whatever, 
> and no one knows who are his father and mother.  There is no law 
compelling 
> this, but it is considered so decidedly the right thing to do and  
the best 
> for the children that the few families who choose to live somewhat 
more as 
> we do, and  to educate their children at home, are always regarded 
as 
> selfishly injuring their prospects for the sake of what is 
considered mere 
> animal affection."
> 
> Children educated with no contact with their parents is 
another "familiar 
> scene" for the clairvoyant visitor on Mars.  CWL was very keen at 
educating 
> other people's children at Adyar and elsewhere.
> 
> But, it is also possible  that by doing this Leadbeater was only 
trying hard 
> to introduce this exclusive revolutionary  Martian educational 
system here 
> on earth -- through  the Adyar Society.
> 
> Although there is no hope of democracy on Mars,  Leadbeater does 
see a 
> Monarchy with its vice-roys, like in the British empire  where he 
lived:
> 
> "The King has under him what may be called viceroys of large 
districts, and 
> they in turn have under them governers of smaller districts, and so 
on, down 
> to what would be equivalent here to the head-man of a village. All 
these 
> officials are chosen by the King from this group of especially  
educated 
> children, and when the time of his own death is considered to be 
approaching 
> it is from among them or from among the already appointed officials 
that he 
> chooses his successor."
> 
> This is somewhat similar to the Adyar Society, where the 
international 
> leaders normally choose their successors. In any case, the 
political 
> power-structure  of Leadbeater's Martian society  is completely top-
down:
> 
> "All these rulers are autocratic, each within his own sphere but 
appeal to a 
> higher official is always possible,  though the right is not 
frequently 
> exercised,  because the people usually prefer to acquiesce in any 
fairly 
> reasonable  decision rather than to take the   trouble involved in 
the 
> appeal."
> 
> As a political analyst CWL  looks like having extremely 
conservative views. 
> He fails to imagine idealism in his Martian nightmare:
> 
> "The rulers on the whole seem to perform their duties fairly well, 
but again 
> one gets the impression that they do so not so much from a pre-
eminent sense 
> of right or justice as to avoid the trouble that would certainly 
ensue from 
> a flagrantly unjust decision."
> 
> The conclusion being that,  whenever authorities cheat and lie, 
such actions 
> must not be too apparent, in order to avoid trouble.
> 
> O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O
> 
> A BIBLIOGRAPHICAL NOTE :
> 
> All the Leadbeater sentences quoted above are taken  from the 
book "Inner 
> Life", by C. W. Leadbeater, Section Ten.  The text was published  
by the 
> magazine "Theosophical History", London, January 1988; see pages 
145-146 for 
> the sentences quoted above.  I have the same text in the Spanish 
edition of 
> "Inner Life", by CWL,  published in Buenos Aires by Editorial Glem 
(pp. 
> 389-394). In  later years the USA T.P.H. editions of the 
book "Inner Life" 
> have silently eliminated this description, as well as the brief but 
> astonishing description of physical life on Mercury. Yet a  
Brazilian 
> edition of the book "The Solar System", by Mr. Arthur Powell – a 
follower of 
> C.W.L.'s –  can still be bought in Brazil with this description of 
physical 
> life on Mars.
> 
> Another author and leading Adyar clairvoyant, Mr. Geoffrey Hodson,  
followed 
> the same track at least up to the 1950s. In 1954-1955, Mr. Hodson 
delivered 
> a series of talks and classes to students in the international 
headquarters 
> of the Adyar Society, in Madras/Chennai, southern India. It was 
part of the  
> "School of the Wisdom". The content of his lectures was published 
by the 
> T.P.H. in India, in 1955, in two large volumes under the title 
of "Lecture 
> Notes -- The  School of the Wisdom", with 616 pp. in the volume I 
and 582 
> pp. in volume II.  On pages 445-442 of  volume I, Mr. Geoffrey 
Hodson quotes 
> and adopts, though  in a somewhat cautious way,  the same vividly 
absurd  
> description made by Mr. Leadbeater about a civilization on the red 
planet.   
>   (CCA)
> 
> 
> O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O o o O
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline.
> 
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