Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00507)

Dear Friends,

Paul Johnson has given, see below, another golden opportunity
for Daniel (or perhaps for Leon) to say something about Daniel's fraud
or not fraud regarding the creation of false persons in order to
attack theosophical groups.

As my knowledge of the internet is rather modest, I cannot
get to a technical conclusion myself, so far.

But I find Daniel's silence on the theme very significant.

This is an invitation to Daniel Caldwell, or to his friends "Mr. Green"
and "Mr. Hobbes" to clarify.

Ethics and truthfulness are of the essence in the art of living.

Best regards,   Carlos.


> From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Vague speculation, or precise observation?
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:31:47 -0000
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@... wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I think it might be about time that you cease your continuous
> insinuations and innuendoes about Daniel Caldwell's supposed
> fraudulent impersonations -- that seems to be supported by hearsay
> evidence based solely on the vague speculations of an alleged enemy
> of Caldwell who has a personal ax to grind because of
> Caldwell's disagreement with his historical findings.
> >
> Hi Leon,
>
> It's interesting that you choose to discredit my motives by innuendo
> in a post in which you chide Carlos for doing so to Daniel.  The only
> hearsay evidence I presented was that a fellow theos-talker told me
> months ago that Daniel had used multiple personae in theosophical
> discussion fora.  Other than that, the evidence is circumstantial,
> but not hearsay.  You can check it all for yourself.  The only way
> direct evidence would emerge is through a confession or the testimony
> of an eyewitness-- not very likely.  (And you are strongly
> discouraging a confession in your post!)  But the circumstantial
> evidence is extremely strong.  Just read the posts and articles
> originating from both "individuals" and ask yourself how many authors
> are really writing them.  For example, the obsession with certain
> topics, the style of relentless interrogation, the very similar
> appearance of websites, the prominent link to Caldwell's site at the
> top of Green's, all these can be observed.
>
> I did not want to be the person to make this public for the very
> reason that you are now demonstrating: the "blame the messenger"
> phenomenon would distract people from the message.  As far as having
> an ax to grind is concerned, I have known about this for six months
> but remained silent until the feud erupted here between Carlos and
> Daniel.  Feeling that we might be at the beginning of a long and
> nasty ordeal, I shared with Carlos my information on the phenomenon
> he was dealing with, and he pretty much insisted on making it
> public.  I don't mind anyone disagreeing with my historical
> findings.  But the relentless bullying here at theos-talk, of which
> you were a recent target, is just too much.
>
> The person who first told me about the impersonations is a regular
> here whom you would undoubtedly esteem and trust more than me.  But
> he has not wanted to address the issue publicly.  And the person who
> did the research on Green's posting from Daniel's Tucson ISP is
> likewise a regular here you would trust and esteem more than me.  But
> he too does not wish to confront the problem.  Since I have not asked
> permission to repost his message to me, all I can do is present the
> punch lines:
>
> the originating IP address for a theos-talk message by David Green,
> posted in April 2000, is 169.197.8.67; a lookup of that address shows
> it to be dhcp67.mc01.dsl.fasttucson.net; that domain is owned by the
> ISP Azstarnet; in the same month Daniel posted from the same ISP.
>
> All these pieces of evidence can be examined by anyone for him or
> herself.  Bottom line, use your head and just read all the posts from
> May 2000 from Green and Caldwell, and ask yourself what was going
> on.  Here is a link to them, arranged by author:
> http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200005/author.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
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