Re: Theos-World TS natal chart and its implications
Feb 21, 2006 07:09 AM
by fairemaidenofchatshire
To Whom It May Concern:
"SEPT 13TH 1875
3. Pursuant to adjournment, a meeting was held Sept. 13, 1875.
H.S.Olcott acted as Chairman and C. Southern as Secretary. The
Committee on "Preamble and By-laws" reported progress. It was
resolved that the name of the society be "THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY".
The Chair appointed a committee to select meeting rooms. "Several
new members were nominated and uponmotion those persons were added
to the list of Founders." The meeting adjourned subject to the call
of the Chair."
As with all things astrological, timing is imperative... In this
particular case, September 13, 1875, 46 Irving Place, New York City,
would be the appropriate date & place of formation of said Society,
as that is the date the group was FORMALLY NAMED... {"It was
resolved that the name of the society be "THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY"}.
The other dates of Sept 7th & 8th show the 'IDEA' of a group of
people 'taking form' to 'make a Society' but, until such is NAMED,
it remains in the realm of an IDEA... Unless, of course, I am
reading the above quotation incorrectly...
I must admit to being somewheat confused by the 'November 17, 1875'
date as the Society being made PUBLIC... ["Mott Memorial Hall, 64
Madison Ave., New York City"]... What was it, specifically, that
made the Theosophical Society on that date a 'public' one??? Were
they incorporated, or somehow registered by a County Recorder, in
some way, thru the court???
In any case, one could erect a chart to see specifically just how
the Society would fare in the 'world's eyes' IF, indeed, they were
made 'formally' public somehow on November 17th... One would view
such a chart as an 'exoteric' expression, so-to-speak... The
September 13th date would be, then, the 'esoteric' expression of the
Society... As such, each chart could be looked upon within a
framework of 'inner' and 'outer' energetic dynamics.
As to the September 13th 'time'... It has been stated as 8 p.m...
However, I would place the time at closer to 8:15-8:30 as most
meetings START at 8 p.m., with the actual 'business' of the meeting
taking some minutes to get underway and relevant issues brought to
the floor, discussed, and subsequently codified... or not, as the
case may be...
As for the November 17th 'time', I see nothing noted below that
would be considered revelatory... If a piece of paper with a NAME is
being County Recorded, {for any reason, i.e. Articles of
Incorporation or a Name Change, for example}, the time would then be
the date/time you took it to the Recorder's office and handed it
over, or the date/time when you dropped it in the postbox or handed
it to a mail carrier... In other words, the moment it left your
hands, {NOT the date/time the Judge signed it, nor the date/time the
Recorder actually recorded it}...
Because of this, I fear that not knowing just 'how' the Society
went 'public', {as spoken of below}, it is then impossible to give
a 'best guess' time, let alone a time with any assurance a'tall…
If, however, by 'public' one is referring to just giving a speech,
the date is irrelevant as far as astrology for the Socitey is
concerned... It might be interesting to look at from the aspect of
how Olcott would have been received, etc., but it wouldn't matter at
all for the Society itself…
FaireMaiden
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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Maybe this passage from The Inner Group Teachings of H. P.
> Blavatsky - Meeting: November 12, 1890 - is interesting too:
>
> H.P.B. said that the Inner Group was the Manas of the T.S. The
E.S.
> was the Lower Manas; the T.S. the Quarternary.
>
>
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe this extracts from J. Ransom's Short History of the T. S.
> will
> > complete Dallas' information.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> >
> >
> > AT the time of the formation of The Theosophical Society, H. P.
B.
> > was living at 46, Irving Place, New York. Here she was eagerly
> > sought out by those interested in the occult and attracted by
her
> > remarkable personality, in the courageous challenge she flung at
> > scientific materialism, and in the stand she made for
the "science
> > of ancient and proved Magic." (H.P.B. used the word Magic as a
> > substitute for both Occultism and Theosophy, neither of which
> meant
> > anything to the public at that time.) On 7 Sept., 1875, Mr.
George
> > H. Felt, an engineer and architect, gave a highly instructive
> > lecture on "The Lost Canon of Proportion of the Egyptians," to
> about
> > seventeen people gathered in H.P.B.'s rooms. …
> >
> > An animated discussion followed, during which the idea occurred
to
> > Col. Olcott "that it would be a good thing to form a Society to
> > pursue and promote such occult research." He passed a note to
> H.P.,
> > who agreed. (Mrs. Besant remarks in Lucifer, April 1895, p.
> > 105: "She [H.P.B.] has told me herself how her Master bade her
> found
> > it, and how at His bidding she wrote the suggestion of starting
it
> > on a slip of paper and gave it to W. Q. Judge to pass to Col.
> > Olcott, and then the Society had its first beginning …") He then
> > spoke of the philosophic character of ancient Theosophies and
> their
> > sufficiency to reconcile all existing antagonism, and of Mr.
> Felt's
> > achievement in extracting the Key to the architecture of Nature
> from
> > the scanty fragments of ancient lore. He proposed to form a
> society
> > for the investigation of science and religion; the society to be
> > entirely eclectic, the friend of true religion and the enemy of
> > scientific materialism. It would be a nucleus around which might
> > gather those willing to work together to organise a society of
> > occultists, begin to collect a library, and to diffuse
information
> > concerning those secret laws of nature which were so familiar to
> the
> > Chaldeans and Egyptians, but were unknown to the modern world of
> > science. Mr. Felt was to teach the right kind of person how to
> evoke
> > and control the elementals. It was unanimously agreed that a
> society
> > be formed for the study and elucidation of Occultism, the
Kabala,
> > etc. It should be free from the least sectarian character and be
> > unquestionably anti-materialistic. Mr. W. Q. Judge proposed Col.
> > Olcott as chairman, and the Colonel proposed Mr. Judge as
> Secretary.
> > On 8 Sept., at the adjourned meeting, Col. Olcott was elected as
> > Chairman and Mr. Judge as Secretary. From among those present
the
> > following sixteen handed in their names as willing to form and
> > belong to such a Society: Mde. H. P. Blavatsky, Col. H. S.
Olcott,
> > Charles Sotheran, Dr. Charles E. Simmons, H. D. Monachesi, C. C.
> > Massey (Loud.), W. L. Alden, G. H. Felt, D. E. de Lara, Dr. W.
> > Britten, Henry J. Newton, John Storer Cobb, J. Hyslop, W. Q.
> Judge,
> > Mrs. E. H. Britten H. M. Stevens. …
> >
> > Newton, Stevens and Sotheran, with the Chairman, were appointed
to
> > draft a Constitution and Bye-laws, and to report on them on 13
> Sept.
> > At this meeting Felt further described his discoveries. Then
> > business was taken up, with Col. Olcott in the Chair and
Sotheran
> as
> > Secretary. The Committee on Preamble and Bye-laws made its
report.
> > It was resolved that the name of the proposed Society be THE
> > THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY. It was agreed that this title "both
> expressed
> > the esoteric truth they wished to reach and covered the ground
of
> > Felt's methods of occult research." The Rev. Mr. Wiggin and Mr.
> > Sotheran were appointed to select suitable meeting rooms,
several
> > new members were nominated and their names added as founders. …
> >
> > The first meeting under the name "The Theosophical Society" was
> > called by Henry S. Olcott, President pro tem., for 16 Oct. in
the
> > spacious drawing-rooms of Mrs. Emma Hardinge Britten, the widely
> > known Spiritualist. It was announced that the Bye-laws were
ready,
> > and that Mr. Felt, if in town, would continue his Egyptological
> > lectures, also that the officers would be elected. Col. Olcott
was
> > in the Chair and J. S. Cobb acted as Secretary. After discussion
> and
> > various alterations, the Bye-laws were adopted.
> >
> > After this meeting H. P. B. left for Ithaca to stay with her
> friends
> > Prof. and Mrs. Corson. …
> >
> > During H. P. B.'s absence at Ithaca, Col. Olcott was delivering
> > lectures in New York, launching out against Spiritualism and
> > upholding the new Theosophical doctrine. H. P. B. returned to
New
> > York in time for the next meeting of The Theosophical Society,
> which
> > was held at the same place on 30 Oct. At this meeting the Mott
> > Memorial Hall, 64, Madison Avenue, was selected as The Society's
> > meeting place. It was near to the recently purchased New York
> > Headquarters in 47th Street, into which H. P. B. and the Colonel
> > presently moved, and remained there until they left for India.
The
> > Bye-laws were finally adopted, and the Preamble was to be
further
> > revised by H. S. Olcott, C. Sotheran and J. S. Cobb. In this
> > finished Preamble it is said:
> > "The Title of the Theosophical Society explains the objects and
> > desires of its founders: they `seek to obtain knowledge of the
> > nature and attributes of the Supreme Power, and of the higher
> > spirits by the aid of physical processes.' In other words, they
> > hope, that by going deeper than modern science has hitherto
done,
> > into the esoteric philosophies of ancient times, they may be
> enabled
> > to obtain, for themselves and other investigators, proof of the
> > existence of an `Unseen Universe,' the nature of its inhabitants
> if
> > such there be, and the laws which govern them and their
relations
> > with mankind. Whatever may be the private opinions of its
members,
> > the society has no dogmas to enforce, no creed to disseminate.
It
> is
> > formed neither as a Spiritualistic schism, nor to serve as the
foe
> > or friend of any sectarian or philosophic body. Its only axiom
is
> > the omnipotence of truth, its only creed a profession of
> unqualified
> > devotion to its discovery and propaganda. In considering the
> > qualifications of applicants for membership, it knows neither
> race,
> > sex, colour, country nor creed …"
> > The Preamble ended with these words:
> > "The Theosophical Society, disclaiming all pretension to the
> > possession of unusual advantages, all selfish motives, all
> > disposition to foster deception of any sort, all intention to
> > wilfully and causelessly injure any established organization,
> > invites fraternal co-operation of such as can realize the
> importance
> > of its field of labour; and are in sympathy with the objects for
> > which it has been organized."
> > The "Objects" of The Society were very simply stated as
being "to
> > collect and diffuse a knowledge of the laws which govern the
> > universe."
> > To these ideals of freedom of thought and opinion The Society
> clung
> > tenaciously, as will be seen. Col. Olcott was ever mindful of
this
> > promise to the world, guarded it jealously and made it his
guiding
> > principle in his organisation of The Society, and each President
> has
> > in turn guarded it with equal care from all tendencies to
> limitation
> > or dogmatism. Also, the principle of Brotherhood, implicitly
> > expressed at the end of the first paragraph, soon became the
> > strongest and most vitalising power and remains the dominating
> > Object of The Society's work.
> > The election for Office resulted as follows:
> > President, HENRY S. OLCOTT; Vice-Presidents, Dr. S. PANCOAST and
> G.
> > H. FELT; Corresponding Secretary, MME. H. P. BLAVATSKY;
Recording
> > Secretary, JOHN STORER COBB; Treasurer, HENRY J. NEWTON,
> Librarian,
> > CHARLES SOTHERAN; Councillors, REV. J. H. WIGGIN, (Judge) R. B.
> > WESTBROOK, L.L.D., Mrs. EMMA HARDINGE BRITTEN, C. E. SIMMONS, M.
> D.,
> > and HERBERT D. MONACHESI; Counsel to the Society, WILLIAM Q.
> JUDGE.
> >
> > On 17 November The Society met at Mott Memorial Hall, and the
> > President delivered his Inaugural Address. This completed the
> > organisation of The Society and Col. Olcott chose this date as
its
> > birthday.
> > The Preamble, Rules, (under date of 30 Oct. 1875) and Inaugural
> > Address were published. In this Address the Colonel said
> > prophetically: "in the coming time it is inevitable that the
birth
> > of this society of ours must be considered a factor in the
problem
> > which the historian will be required to solve." Since the days
> when
> > the Neo-Platonists and theurgists of Alexandria were scattered
by
> > Christianity this was the first revival of a study of Theosophy.
> He
> > then promised that through his discoveries Mr. Felt would, by
> simple
> > chemical appliances, exhibit "the races of beings which,
invisible
> > to our eyes, people the elements," and the name of The
> Theosophical
> > Society would hold its place in history as the first to exhibit
> > these "Elementary Spirits" - and thus astound the churches, the
> > unimaginative academies of science, the materialists and
> the "shade"
> > ridden spiritualists. Written in the SCRAPBOOK is one of
H.P.B.'s
> > shrewd comments to the effect that these were rash statements -
it
> > was "counting the price of the bear's skin before the beast is
> > slain." The Colonel admitted afterwards that though there was
much
> > in his Address that came true, "yet it reads a bit foolish after
> > seventeen years of hard experience."
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck"
> > <dalval14@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > T S STARTED .DOC
> > > =================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > CHRONOLOGY 1875 -78
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NOTES ON THE ORIGINAL MINUTES OF THE
THEOSOPHICAL
> > SOCIETY.
> > >
> > > SOURCES:
> > > PATH, Vol. 10, p. 55, May 1894.
> > > THEOSOPHICAL FORUM, Vol. 1, p. 95-6--
> > (Olcott on)
> > > OLD DIARY LEAVES, Vol. 1,p.114-18,121-
> > 2,126-133;137,
> > > OLD DIARY LEAVES, Vol. 7, p.
> 326.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [ Start with Mr. Judge's THE T S AND ITS BASIS, J
> Art
> > II 156 ]
> > > From AUSTRAL THEOSOPHIST, June 1894 ]
> > >
> > > "As one of those who helped to form the T S, I may
> claim
> > to speak
> > > with personal knowledge of the facts, ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SEPT 7th 1875
> > >
> > > "1. At a meeting held in the rooms of H.P.Blavatsky, 46
Irving
> > Place, New
> > > York City, Sept. 7, 1875, it was agreed to form a Society for
> the
> > purpose of
> > > Occult Study. Upon motion of William Q. Judge, Henry S.
Olcott
> > was elected
> > > Chairman of this meeting, and upon motion of H.S.Olcott,
William
> > Q. Judge
> > > was elected Secretary of the same. Adjourned to September 8,
> > 1875...this is
> > > ascertained as the facts by those who were present.
> > (CWB, Vol.
> > > 1, 122)
> > >
> > > NOTE:
> > >
> > > Col. Olcott, in OLD DIARY LEAVES, Vol. 1, p.
118,
> > remarks on
> > > this event from memory as follows: (he) "wrote on a scrap of
> > paper: "Would
> > > it not be a good thing to form a Society for this kind of
> study ?"-
> > -and gave
> > > it to Judge. H.P.B. read the note and nodded assent."
> > >
> > > [He also makes mention of this on p.114 of his book. OLD DIARY
> > LEAVES
> > > (Olcott) Vol. I
> > > (CWB, Vol. 1, p. 473, 122-123)
> > >
> > > Since Col. Olcott wrote OLD DIARY LEAVES,
largely
> > from memory,
> > > some discrepancies have been observed by historians, these
will
> be
> > found
> > > chronicled in CWB Vol. I, pp. 72-3, 94, 121, 123-4.
> > >
> > > H.P.B. later narrated this event to Mrs. A. Besant, who
> then
> > reported
> > > it in the opposite sequence: she [HPB] having originated the
> > idea, and
> > > then, having a note suggesting the formation of a society
passed
> > through
> > > Judge to Olcott.
> > > (see LUCIFER, Vol. 12, p. 105, April 1893).
> > >
> > > There is no question but Mr. Judge was one of the three
founders
> > of the
> > > Theosophical Society who remained with it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SEPT 8th 1875
> > >
> > > 2. Pursuant to adjournment, a meeting was held at the same
> place
> > Sept. 8,
> > > 1875. It is with this meeting that the minute book begins.
> Upon
> > motion of
> > > William Q. Judge it was voted that H.S.Olcott take the Chair,
> and
> > upon
> > > motion it was voted that William Q. Judge act as Secretary.
> Upon
> > request of
> > > the Chair, sixteen persons handed their names to the
Secretary,
> > as agreeing
> > > to found and belong to such a society. A committee of four,
> > including the
> > > Chairman, was appointed "to draft a constitution and by-laws
and
> > to report
> > > the same at the next meeting." Adjourned to Monday, Sept. 13,
> > 1875, at the
> > > same place.
> > > (PATH Vol. 9, p. 1 - facsimile; CWB, Vol. 1, p. 123-5)
> > >
> > >
> > > SEPT 13TH 1875
> > >
> > > 3. Pursuant to adjournment, a meeting was held
Sept.
> > 13, 1875.
> > > H.S.Olcott acted as Chairman and C. Southern as Secretary.
The
> > Committee on
> > > "Preamble and By-laws" reported progress. It was resolved
that
> > the name of
> > > the society be "THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY". The Chair
appointed
> a
> > committee
> > > to select meeting rooms. "Several new members were nominated
> and
> > upon
> > > motion those persons were added to the list of Founders." The
> > meeting
> > > adjourned subject to the call of the Chair.
> > >
> > >
> > > OCTOBER 16 1875
> > >
> > > 4. Pursuant to a Notice dated at New York, Oct. 13,
> > 1875, signed
> > > Henry S. Olcott, President pro tem., a meeting was held at 206
W
> > 38th
> > > St., Oct. 16, l875, "to organize and elect officers."
Eighteen
> > persons
> > > were present. The report of the Committee on "Preamble and By-
> > laws" was
> > > laid on the table and ordered printed. The meeting was
> adjourned
> > to
> > > October 30th l875, at the same place. H.S.Olcott was
Chairman,
> > and J. S.
> > > Cobb, Secretary,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OCTOBER 30 1875
> > >
> > > 5. October 30, 1875, the Society met pursuant to
> > adjournment.
> > > Mott Memorial Hall, 64 Madison Ave., New York City was
selected
> as
> > the
> > > Society's meeting place. By-laws were adopted, but with the
> > proviso that
> > > the "Preamble" should be revised by a committee and then
> published
> > as the
> > > "Preamble of the Society." Officers were elected as
follows:
> > President,
> > > Henry S. Olcott; Vice-Presidents, Dr. S. Pancoast and
> G .H .Felt;
> > > Corresponding Secretary, Mme. H.P.Blavatsky; Recording
> > Secretary, John
> > > Storer Cobb; Treasurer, Henry J. Newton; Librarian, Charles
> > Southeran;
> > > Councilors, Rev. J .H. Wiggin, R. B. Westbrook, LL.D., Mrs.
> > Emma Hardinge
> > > Britten; C E. Simmons, M.D. and Herbert D. Montachesi;
Counsel
> > to the
> > > Society, William Q. Judge. Adjourned to November 17,
> > 1875. ....
> > > PATH, VOL. 10, P. 55-60;
> > > CWB, Vol. I, p. 122 - 125; 150; 193; 245-6;
375-
> > 8; 379-84;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NOTE
> > >
> > > Mme. Blavatsky was by this time (1875) engaged
in
> > the writing
> > > of ISIS UNVEILED. Mr. Judge's brother, John, was of help in
> > preparing the
> > > manuscript for the printers. Mr. Judge's participation is not
> > specified in
> > > existent records I have read. DTB.
> > >
> > > HPB invited Mr. Judge to help her in 1884 at
> > Enghien, (WQJ
> > > ART. ULT I 468) : "...while I at her request carefully read
> over,
> > sitting
> > > in the same room, Isis Unveiled, making indices at the foot of
> the
> > page, as
> > > she intended to use it in preparing the Secret Doctrine."
> > >
> > >
> > > In THE COLLECTED WORKS OF H.P.BLAVATSKY,
> VOL. I p.
> > 406 we
> > > are told by the editor that the diaries of HPB for the years
> 1875-
> > 77
> > > "mysteriously disappeared" in Adyar.
> > >
> > > The diary for 1878 find Mr. Judge mentioned several times as a
> > visitor to
> > > HPB in the latter part of the year: [ August 5th and 6th (p.
> > 409); Oct 18
> > > (p.413); Oct. 30 (p.416); Nov. 12 (p.420); Dec. 3-4
(p.425);
> > Dec. 5
> > > (p.426); Dec. 7 (p.427); Dec. 11 (p.429); Dec. 13-15.
> > > COLL. WKS. B, Vol I, p. 430.]
> > >
> > > On December 17th. 1878 Mme. Blavatsky and Col. Olcott
> > boarded a
> > > steamer to sail via. England, for India; Mr. Judge remained
in
> > New York.
> > >
> > > On Dec. 19th. 1879 (p.433, C W B) Mr. Judge visited them on
> > board
> > > the steamer prior to its actual departure, while it was still
> > anchored
> > > inside the bar of the harbor waiting for the tide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DECEMBER 17 1878 to FEBRUARY 16 1879
> > >
> > >
> > > 9. In the year 1878 H.P.Blavatsky and H.S.Olcott
were
> > appointed
> > > under a formal Resolution of the Theosophical Society dated----
--
> -
> > a
> > > "Committee of the Theosophical Society" to visit foreign
> countries
> > and
> > > report." The Theosophist for Oct. 1879, Vol. 1, #1, p. 1, 1st
> > item, says:
> > > "For the convenience of future reference, it may as well be
> stated
> > here that
> > > the Committee, sent to India by the Theosophical Society,
sailed
> > from New
> > > York Dec. 17th l878, and landed in Bombay, Feb. 16, 1879,
having
> > passed two
> > > weeks in London on the way." (The THEOSOPHIST, Jan.
> > 1880, Vol. 1, p.95).
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > T S STARTED
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:53 PM
> > > To
> > > Subject: Re: TS natal chart and its implications
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I recall HPB writing that the September chart is the real
birth
> > chart.
> > > The November inaugural address chart would be the chart for
when
> > the TS
> > > became a public organization.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > ==============================================
> > >
> > > adelasie wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Vladimir,
> > >
> > > The chart drawn for 8 pm, September 8, 1875, is certainly more
> > > encouraging than the one for the same time, November 17 of the
> > same
> > > year. One might wonder how an entity of the latter date would
> > survive
> > > at all. Does anyone have any more specific data for the
founding
> > of
> > > the TS? It seems likely that there would be an official chart
> for
> > the
> > > founding, considering what the organization is.
> > >
> > > Adelasie
> > >
> > > ==================================================
> > >
> > > On 18 Feb 2006 at 13:19, Vladimir wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday, February 18, 2006, 5:46:41 AM, adelasie wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does Cranston give a time for the September date?
> > >
> > >
> > > No. Actually the date might be considered even Sep.7, because
> then
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Madame Blavatsky's sprightly evening chatter and her
> > reported
> > > magical feats continued to draw groups of intelligent
people
> to
> > her
> > > rooms. Among those thus attracted was Mr. George H. Felt, who
> had
> > made
> > > some careful studies in phases of Egyptology. He was asked to
> > lecture
> > > on these subjects and on the 7th of September, 1875, a score
of
> > people
> > > had gathered in H.P.B.'s parlors to hear his address
> on "The
> > Lost
> > > Canon of Proportion of the Egyptians."
> > >
> > > Dr. Seth Pancoast, a most
> > > erudite Kabbalist was present, and after the lecture he
> led
> > the
> > > discussion to the subject of the occult powers of the
> > ancient
> > > magicians. Mr. Felt said he had proven those powers and had
> with
> > them
> > > evoked elemental creatures and "hundreds of shadowy
forms."
> As
> > the
> > > tense debate proceeded, acting on an impulse,
> > >
> > > Col. Olcott wrote on a
> > > scrap of paper, which he passed over to Madame Blavatsky
> through
> > the
> > > hands of Mr. W. Q. Judge, the following: "Would it not be a
good
> > thing
> > > to form a Society for this kind of study?" She read it and
> > indicated
> > > assent.
> > >
> > > http://www.blavatskycardiff.care4free.net/The%20Theosophical%
> > 20Society
> > > %20gets%20off%20the%20Ground.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > But the Meeting Minutes containing the proposal is dated
> > >
> > > Sep.8,1975 –
> > >
> > > a hand-written page is reproduced in the book.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vladimir
> > >
> > > =====================================
> > >
> > > see Blavatsky: COLLECTED WORKS Vol. 1
> > >
> > > ==================================
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-
> > talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of adelasie
> > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:47 PM
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World TS natal chart and its implications
> > >
> > > Hi Vladimir,
> > >
> > > Does Cranston give a time for the September date?
> > >
> > > Adelasie
> > >
> > > On 17 Feb 2006 at 21:35, Vladimir wrote:
> > >
> > > > Friday, February 17, 2006, 5:16:17 PM, kpauljohnson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Here are a couple of post from a dozen years ago,
discussing
> > the
> > > > > November 17th chart for the TS:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, didn't look at the chart, just want to make a
side
> > remark:
> > > > according to Cranston's book on HPB's life, the TS
was
> > actually
> > > > organized Sep.8,1875, whereas on Nov.17th Olcott gave his
> > inaugural
> > > > speech.
> > > >
> > > > Would you please remake the chart for this date and
> > produce new
> > > > implications? :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Vladimir
> > > >
> > > =================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > LEGAL STATUS OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
> > >
> > > Key. p. 309-10
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY.
> > > The following Official Report, on which was granted a Decree
of
> In
> > to the
> > > St. Louis Theosophical Society, is art important document, as
> > putting on
> > > record the view taken of the Theosophical Society—after a
careful
> > > examination of witnesses on oath—by an American Court of Law.
> > >
> > > First—The petitioner is not a religious body, I report this
> > negative finding
> > > for the reason that the word "Theosophical" contained in
> > petitioners' name
> > > conveys a possible religious implication.
> > >
> > > The statutory phrase "society formed for religious purposes"
> > applies, I
> > > suppose, only to an organization formed in part for worship,
> > worship being
> > > an individual act involving adoration and perhaps emotional
> power,
> > both
> > > being of necessity individual acts, or else to an organization
> > formed for a
> > > propagation of a religious faith.
> > >
> > > Merely to teach a religion as one may teach algebra, is not, I
> > think, a
> > > religions work, as the word "religious" is used in the Statute
> and
> > the
> > > Constitution. A man may occupy a collegiate chair of Professor
> of
> > Religions
> > > and as such teach the tenets of many religions. These
different
> > religions
> > > being variant and antagonistic, the Professor could not by any
> > possibility
> > > worship under all. Nay, he might even be irreligious. Hence,
> > merely teaching
> > > religions is not a religions work in the statutory sense.
> > >
> > > It will be noted that in art. 2 of this society's
constitution,
> > the word
> > > religion is used in the plural. To teach religions is
> educational,
> > not
> > > religious. "To promote the study of religions" is in part to
> > promote the
> > > study of the history of man. I add the subordinate finding
that
> > the society
> > > has no religious creed and practices no worship.
> > >
> > > Second—The petitioner proposes to promote the study of
> literature
> > and
> > > sciences. These objects are expressly within the terms of the
> > Statute.
> > >
> > > Third—Cognate with the last object is that of
> > investigating "unexplained
> > > laws of nature and psychical powers latent in man." These two
> > phrases, taken
> > > in their apparent meaning, are unobjectionable. But there is
> > reason to
> > > believe that they form a meaning other than the apparent one.
> > >
> > > The court will take notice of the commonly accepted meaning of
> the
> > word
> > > "Theosophy." Though I am ignorant of Theosophy, I think it is
> > supposed to
> > > include among other things manifestations and phenomena,
> physical
> > and
> > > psychical, that are violative of the laws now known by
> physicists
> > and
> > > metaphysicians, and perhaps not explained or claimed to be
> > explained or
> > > understood even by Theosophists themselves.
> > >
> > > In this group may be included Spiritualism, mesmerism,
> > clairvoyance,
> > > mind-healing, mind-reading, and the like. I took testimony on
> this
> > question,
> > > and found that while a belief in any one of these sorts of
> > manifestations
> > > and phenomena is not required, while each member of the
society
> is
> > at
> > > liberty to hold his own opinion, yet such questions form
topics
> of
> > inquiry
> > > and discussion, and the members as a mass are probably
believers
> > > individually in phenomena that are abnormal and in powers that
> are
> > > superhuman as far as science now knows.
> > >
> > > It is undoubtedly the right of any citizen to hold whatever
> > opinions he
> > > pleases on these subjects, and to endeavour at his pleasure to
> > investigate
> > > the unexplained and to display the latent.
> > >
> > > But the question here is: Shall the Court grant a franchise in
> aid
> > of such
> > > endeavour?
> > >
> > > Voodooism is a word applied to the practices of guileful men
> among
> > the
> > > ignorant and superstitious who inflict impostures upon
guileless
> > men among
> > > the ignorant and superstitious. No Court would grant a
franchise
> in
> > > furtherance of such practices.
> > >
> > > The Court then will stop to inquire into the practices and
> perhaps
> > the
> > > reputableness of the enterprise which seeks judicial aid. I am
> not
> > meaning
> > > to make a comparison between voodooism and this group of
> phenomena
> > which for
> > > convenience (though I know not whether accurately) I will call
> > occultism. I
> > > only take voodooism as a strong case to show the Court ought
to
> > inquire.
> > >
> > > If we now inquire into occultism we shall find that it has
been
> > occasionally
> > > used, as is reported, for the purposes of imposture. But this
> goes
> > for
> > > nothing against its essential character. Always and everywhere
> bad
> > men will
> > > make a bad use of anything for selfish ends.
> > >
> > > The object of this society, whether attainable or not, is
> > undeniably
> > > laudable, assuming that there are physical and psychical
> phenomena
> > > unexplained, and that Theosophy seeks to explain them.
Assuming
> > that there
> > > are human powers yet latent, it seeks to discover them. It may
> be
> > that
> > > absurdities and impostures are in fact incident to the nascent
> > stage of its
> > > development.
> > >
> > > As to an understanding like that of occultism, which asserts
> > powers commonly
> > > thought superhuman, and phenomena commonly thought
supernatural,
> > it seemed
> > > to me that the Court, though not assuming to determine
> judicially
> > the
> > > question of their verity, would, before granting to occultism
a
> > franchise,
> > > inquire whether at least it had gained the position of being
> > reputable or
> > > whether its adherents were merely men of narrow intelligence,
> mean
> > > intellect, and omnivorous credulity.
> > >
> > > I accordingly took testimony on that point, and find that a
> number
> > of
> > > gentlemen in different countries of Europe, and also in this
> > country,
> > > eminent in science, are believers in occultism. Sir Edward
> Bulwer
> > Lytton, a
> > > writer of large and varied learning, and of solid intellect,
is
> > asserted to
> > > have been an occultist, an assertion countenanced by at least
> two
> > of his
> > > books.
> > >
> > > The late President Wayland, of Brown University, writing of
> > abnormal mental
> > > operations as shown in clairvoyance, says: "The subject seems
to
> > me well
> > > worthy of the most searching and candid examination. It is by
no
> > means
> > > deserving of ridicule, but demands the attention of the most
> > philosophical
> > > inquiry."
> > >
> > > Sir William Hamilton, probably the most acute and, undeniably,
> the
> > most
> > > learned of English metaphysicians that ever lived, said at
least
> > thirty
> > > years ago: "However astonishing, it is now proved beyond all
> > rational doubt
> > > that in certain abnormal states of the nervous organism
> > perceptions are
> > > possible through other than the ordinary channels of the
> senses."
> > >
> > > By such testimony Theosophy is at least placed on the footing
of
> > > respectability. Whether by further labour it can make partial
> > truths
> > > complete truths, whether it can eliminate extravagances and
> purge
> > itself of
> > > impurities, if there are any, are probably questions upon
which
> > the Court
> > > will not feel called upon to pass.
> > >
> > > I perceive no other feature of the petitioners' constitution
> that
> > is
> > > obnoxious to legal objection, and accordingly I have the
honour
> to
> > report
> > > that I show no cause why the prayer of the petitioners should
> not
> > be
> > > granted.
> > > AUGUST W. ALEXANDER,
> > > Amicus Curæ.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ===============================================================
> > >
> >
>
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