The Emerging Universal Light
Feb 18, 2006 08:11 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Dear Sufilight,
Your agreement is significant.
Thus, step by step, we can rebuild a common, universal grammar; the grammar
of universal understanding and multidimensional brotherhood.
With frankness. And with inclusiveness.
Light to all beings, Carlos.
From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophy -- And Scholars?
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:03:24 +0100
We agree.
My english are perhaps not that good at times.
But, I am really working hard on it.
:-)
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:43 PM
Subject: Theos-World Theosophy -- And Scholars?
>
> Dear Sufilight,
>
> Yes, you are right, we do not support scholars in general, but we do
> accept
> discussing with scholars, and we also admit their support to the
esoteric
> philosohy, don't we?
>
> We have a common ground with them, if we are a universal philosophy.
>
> HPB debated with them all the time, and she had friendly relations with
> Thomas Alva Edison, the inventor, with Camille Flammarion, the
astronomer,
> and many other scientists of her day.
>
> To close down "Theosophy for Theosophists only " leads to a wrong
> perspective of Theosophy as something to be possessed; as something to
> be
> believed, without having to deal with "strangers" or "foreigners".
>
> Theosophy does not belong to anyone. To preserve it is NOT to avoid
> debate,
> if debate is honest.
>
>
> Carlos Cardoso Aveline.
>
>
>>
>>M. Sufilight wrote:
>> > Hallo all,
>> >
>> > My views are:
>> >
>> > I will politely say, that
>> > If Theosophy in general supports scholars, then I have to say, that I
>> > disagree with Theosophy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > from
>> > M. Sufilight
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Desmontes" <desmontes@gmail.com>
>> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:33 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Salience, valence, HPB, and scholars
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
>> >>
>> >> "Here von Egmond is implying, correctly in my view that the previous
>> >> attitude toward HPB among scholars had generally been that the
>> >> Masters were figments of fantasy and that therefore HPB herself did
>> >> not deserve serious attention in terms of studying her sources. Why
>> >> would Adyar not welcome this? It undermines the unassailable CWL,
>> >> for one thing. If HPB's Masters are acknowledged by scholars to
have
>> >> been real, then the contrast with CWL's imaginary ones becomes all
>> >> too glaring."
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your comments. It is nice to see an author entering
into
>> >> dialogue with his community of readers. Personally, with regard to
>>study
>> >> and
>> >> research, I tend to take the impartial position of Francis Bacon who
>> >> states
>> >> in his essay on Studies, "Read not to contradict and confute; nor to
>> >> believe
>> >> and take for granted; nor to find talk and discourse; but to weigh
and
>> >> consider." Not only do to I apply this wise aphorism to your book
"The
>> >> Masters Revealed", which gives one much to weigh and consider, but
>> >> also
>>to
>> >> Theosophical literature in general. Your book provides an excellent
>> >> service
>> >> to the Theosophical Community by setting forth intelligently a
>>viewpoint
>> >> unsanctioned by the official organization. I am of the opinion that
an
>> >> intellegent reader will not give much credence to the extravagent
>>claims
>> >> of
>> >> C.W. Leadbeater. Blavatsky on other hand is a force to be reckoned
>>with.
>> >> Her
>> >> claims to the supranormal abilities of the Masters are explained in
a
>> >> manner
>> >> that is rational and to a degree believable. While it is impossible
>> >> for
>> >> the
>> >> discriminating reader to accept uncritically the claims of such
>>abilities,
>> >> her explanations enable one to retain an open mind with regard to
the
>> >> possilibility while personal experience is lacking.
>> >>
>> >> In "The Masters Revealed" you set forth the thesis that "most of
these
>> >> characters were authorities in one or more spiritual traditions;
>> >> others
>> >> were
>> >> accomplished writers. They helped prepare HPB for her mission as a
>> >> spiritual
>> >> teacher and/or sponsored the Theosophical Society from behind the
>>scenes.
>> >> Although their teachings and example affected HPB's development, the
>> >> extent
>> >> of their influence was usually secret. In a few cases the argument
for
>> >> their
>> >> acquaintence with HPB is speculative, but usually the fact of a
>> >> relationship
>> >> is well established and the real question is its meaning. Because
>> >> their
>> >> 'spiritual status' and psychic powers are inaccessible to historical
>> >> research, these alleged criteria of 'Mahatmaship' are treated with
>> >> agnosticism." (p. 14-15) Personally, I see in these few words not
only
>>a
>> >> lack of personal bias but also an abundance of integrity. I also see
>> >> no
>> >> conflict between this perspective and HPB's most sober descriptions
of
>>the
>> >> Masters in the Key To Theosophy. To paraphrase (combining the
>> >> questions
>> >> and
>> >> answers), she wrote in substance:
>> >>
>> >> "The Masters are neither supernatural beings, nor "myths". If you
>>listen
>> >> to
>> >> what people say, you will never have a true conception of them. In
the
>> >> first
>> >> place, they are living men, born as we are born, and doomed to die
>> >> like
>> >> every other mortal. Many miraculous claims are put forth on their
>>behalf
>> >> and
>> >> the more we try to set people right, the more absurd do the
inventions
>> >> become. The word "Mahatma" simply means a "great soul." If the title
>> >> of
>> >> great is given to a drunken soldier like Alexander, why should we
not
>>call
>> >> those "Great" who have achieved far greater conquests in Nature's
>>secrets,
>> >> than Alexander ever did on the field of battle? Besides, the term is
>> >> an
>> >> Indian and a very old word. We call them "Masters" because they are
>> >> our
>> >> teachers; and because from them we have derived all the Theosophical
>> >> truths,
>> >> however inadequately some of us may have expressed, and others
>>understood,
>> >> them. They are men of great learning, whom we term Initiates, and
>> >> still
>> >> greater holiness of life. They are not ascetics in the ordinary
sense,
>> >> though they certainly remain apart from the turmoil and strife of
your
>> >> western world." (Sec. 14)
>> >>
>> >> Don't lose heart. You may have detractors in various Theosophical
>> >> Organizations, but if Madame Blavatsky were alive today, we can
expect
>> >> that
>> >> she would give you her thanks, both for the honesty of your inquiry
>> >> and
>> >> also
>> >> for rescuing the Mahatmas from the fantastic delusions which are
>> >> perpetuated
>> >> in their name, something which she sought time and again to
accomplish
>>but
>> >> to little avail as is evident from our modern situation.
>> >>
>> >> -Desmond
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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