Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00356)

WHY WAS PAUL JOHNSON USED, WHAT FOR, BY WHOM?

Friends,

I think we can improve a lot our mental rate of vibration from where we are
(see text below).

"You said, you did not say; you wrote, you did  not write" ---   well, the 
blaming
game has its limits, and it reveals a state of mental anxiety entirely 
unnecessary
as we think of esoteric philosophy -- or Theosophy.

For me, the question of Daniel fabricating persons to attack theosophical 
group is much more than any accusation game.

It is a question of clarification, an issue of frankness and respect for 
truth as an instrument of the dialogue among us.

If we are discussing the way to truth, we must examine ourselves and where 
we stand among us.

Paul deserves our respect and so does his text on Daniel's possible secret 
activities.

If Daniel does not answer to what Paul said about that,  the conclusion will 
be inevitable that Daniel
has been committing several and permanent frauds against us and against the 
public at large  for perhaps ten years now.

As to blaming Paul for his sentences on HPB and the Masters, well, it also 
has its limitations.

Better than this is to discuss, for instance, his view  of the movement as a 
whole --   before,  and after, he was USED  by Algeo and by Daniel (and by 
"Mr.Green"... ) to discredit the spiritual path and the probationary way as 
described by  Sinnett, Judge, Damodar, by the Masters in the "Mahatma 
Letters", by HPB, Olcott, etc.  It is NOT HPB only, who said that the 
Masters existed in such and such way. There were MANY testiomonies in the 
1880s. It is much wider and larger than that.  See "The Occult World", by 
Sinnett, for a number of public testimonies on the  Mahatmas.

I guess Paul was used in a certain stage by some "secretly skeptics", some  
theosophical "cardinals" linked to the Liberal Catholic Church and to one or 
two pseudomasonic rituals.  These "cardinals"  wanted to discredit HPB in 
order to keep Adyar members to their own ritualistic games invented by CWL 
and to prevent them from rediscovering HPB's teachings.

After a time,  when Paul's impact had been absorbed, they discharged him and 
now they do not use Paul, they use Solovyof, Emma Coulomb, Alexis Coulomb, 
Eleanor Sidwick and so on to keep on with their discredit campaign against 
the true teaching, while the ritualistic power-system already agonizes in 
Adyar and ther movement prepares itself (largely unconsciously) forsome kind 
of CHANGE.


I would like to understand the phenomenon of Paul's ideas as part of the 
history of the movement.

WHY  it was interesting for some LEADERS to have his ideas circulating for 
some time, and  why did that stop?

Is the person who supported Paul's hopes, Mr. John Algeo, also behind Daniel 
and "Mr. Green" and other frauds???

Just asking, because I believe in a truth dialogue.

Best regards and peace to all,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline.





   From: Vladimir <forums@sova.us>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: kpauljohnson <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Lies, or reckless disregard for the truth?
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:41:56 +0300

Friday, February 17, 2006, 7:24:15 PM, kpauljohnson wrote:

> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" <kay_ziatz@...> 
> wrote:
> > Please note that Johnson wrote that mahatmas are also false persons.
> That's a total misrepresentation, since TMR describes 14 *real* South Asian 
> individuals as such, and another 18 Western and Middle Eastern individuals 
> as adepts.  That *stories told about the Masters contained falsehoods* does 
> not make the individuals on which they were (loosely sometimes) based 
> false.
OK,  let's rephrase: your claim is that HPB lied about the Masters and
that  actually  they  were  not  those  wise  and  mighty creatures as
portrayed   in  the  modern  theosophical  lore.  Is  that  a  correct
representation? I suppose, it is effectively equal to "false persons".


Best regards,
Vladimir

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