Theos-Talk Archives (December 2005 Message tt00355)

Dallas, this is just an inference of mine.
Since she received his (cagliostro's) ring and we find some sayings of
her about this man and that time and the facts surrounding where she
speaks like someone who really knew what happened, like someone who
was there. And if we compare cagliostro's powers and personality, is
very simillar to hers...
But she never said that openly...

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck"
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
>
> 12/31/2005 5:00 AM
> 
> Dear Alaya:
> 
> Please help me.
> 
> May I have a source references to HPB saying she "knew she was
Cagliostro in
> her previous incarnation?"
> 
> [I do not mean Leadbeater's writings, but HERS -- does she state this
> anywhere ? ] 
> 
> It will help me in my studies, if this is exactly what she wrote.
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Alaya
> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:50 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Leadbeater's 1000 years after.. reincarnation
> 
> yes perry, 
> 
> this is a confusing subject
> 
> but it's very difficult to understant this statment when we think that
> HPB knew she was Cagliostro in her previous incarnation (in 18
> centrury)... 
> 
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> DTB	Where does HP say this ?
> 
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> 
> and what would we say about those children who return in
> few years and have clear memories of their previous life?
> 
> I myself know that between this life and my last one I spent only 47
> years 'dead'... and I also know where i was in the 16 century... so
> how can this 15 centuries theory be true when personal experiences
> prove the contrary?
> 
> I was thinking maybe this 'long space of time' is a psychological
> time.. relative time, and doesn't correspond to time on Earth..
> about other planets.. Masters really say in their letters about life
> on other planets, but as i understand, only mahatmas can switch like
> that, since they (and the secret doctrine) also made clear that our
> 'humanity' is on ITS cicle, and other planets have other cicles, so
> we, ordinary human being, could not possibly change..
> 
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> DTB	Where do the Mahatmas state that They "switch" to or from "other
> planets?"
> 
> Have They actually said this anywhere? 
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> 
> 
> Anyway..
> 
> thanks for your answer
> 
> Alaya
> 
> 
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Alaya,
> > Just as a point of clarification HPB and her teachers also suggested
> a similar period of 
> > time.
> > 
> > Key to theosophy page 145 in the chapter 'on the kamaloka and
devachan':
> > 
> > "ENQUIRER. What of the latter? How long does the incarnating Ego
> remain in the 
> > Devachanic state?
> > 
> > THEOSOPHIST. This, we are taught, depends on the degree of
> spirituality and the merit or 
> > demerit of the last incarnation. The average time is from ten to
> fifteen centuries, as I 
> > already told you."
> > 
> > Just as a personal opinion I think that the question of
> reincarnation and metempsychosis is 
> > an interesting one.
> > I would suggest that in many areas of the teachings our
> understandings are quite clunky 
> > and partial.
> > 
> > In the devachan letter the mahatma suggests that 'we' reincarnate on
> other `planets'. 
> > 
> > Where my own mind and imagination have gone on this is, what is a
> `planet' a state of 
> > consciousness perhaps?
> > 
> > Is the physical planet simply a representation of a particular state
> of being?
> > 
> > Perhaps we are a little Earthocentric in that we think this
> manifestation of 'earth' we find 
> > ourselves in is the only one.
> > 
> > Maybe this `Earth' has many different manifestations in this
> multiverse and maybe we 
> > don't necessarily return to the same planet in the same way that we
> cant step into the 
> > same river twice.
> > 
> > Another musing is maybe `Atlantis' and `Lemuria' can be seen in a
> similar way.
> > 
> > As I say these are only musings but who knows maybe multi'
> dimensions play a role in this 
> > process of reincarnation?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Perry 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > what do you think about these absurd statements made by leadbeater
> > > that people reincarnate only after a long space of time, like 700,
> > > 1000 years... and that a 'elevated being' would take 1200 years to
> return?
> > > he also said that 800 years after his death he would reincarnate in
> > > California.
> > > 
> > > What do you think about this teaching of his?
> > > I thing it is harmful to theosophy and can make people have
erroneous
> > > notions about reincarnation.
> > > All those who have had past lifes experiencies know that the average
> > > is one incarnation for century
> > > we also know that many masters did return in other bodies in the
next
> > > centuries...
> > > sow how could leadbeater say something so foolish as 'people are
> > > reborn every 800 years'?
> > > how could someone who said Besant was the PET of Master M. in
> > > Atlantis... who fake others lives and invented the 'real' story for
> > > life in Mars and then says this stupidity be taken seriously??
> > >
> >
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