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Re: Theos-World FW: Stroke Recognition

Nov 21, 2005 03:57 AM
by Iain

Dear Eldon,
As I am a FirstAid Trainer and Assessor with St Andrews Ambulance Assosiation and also St John Ambulance Association and aquainted with The British Chest, Heart and Stroke Foundation, from the case senario that has been mentioned it would be highly unlikely with the information given if the person whould have survived in any case.
Reason. The description of the casualty after the fall being able to "enjoy the rest of the evening" sounds a bit suspect , along with the time of death being 6pm that same day which runs contary to" the rest of the evening"
STROKE occurs in two ways it is either a blood Clot in the brain depending on the area affected would show reletively quickly. the other cause would be cerebral bleeding, which varies on the size of the blood vessel involved therefore the signs and symptoms would begin to show after a short period of time.
Stroke recognition
Problems with speech or swallowing. (not evident in this case)
Side of mouth uneven (not mentioned)
Loss of power to limbs (casualty carried on as normal)
sudden severe headache (not mentioned)
confused state (again not indicated)
sudden/gradual loss of consciousness (again no mention of any of these conditions)

I would rather doubt given the information supplied that this person died of stroke. It would be more likely to be CEREBRAL COMPRESSION
Cerebral Compession is recognized by:-
Response deterioration
Intense headache
Slow noisy Breathing
Slow/strong pulse
Unequal pupils
high temperature/flushed face
irritable behaviour.

It would therefore become apparent that the Golden rule of first aid was not adhered to IF IN DOUBT ASSUME THE WORST.
phone for an Ambulance , get casualty to hospital and get them checked out. In this case I have severe doubt if the casualty did "carry on as normal" for the rest of the evening. I would be contacting whereever this report came from to get more information. However, I have seen a similar story about a year ago,which I will put into the URBAN MYTH catagory.
Best wishes

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon B Tucker" <>
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Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Theos-World FW: Stroke Recognition

Something useful to know that I saw at work.

Hi, this is worth reading

Just in case it ever comes to that. You never know, it might make a

The life you save may be mine. I'm sending this on out of self


During a BBQ a friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a
brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new
plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about
enjoying herself the rest of the evening. Ingrid's husband called later
telling everyone that his wife had been taken to the hospital - (at 6:00pm,
Ingrid passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known
how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today.

It only takes a minute to read this - Recognizing a Stroke ----- A
neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can
totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was
getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient within 3
hours which is tough.


Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!
Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the
lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage
when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is
sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call
000 immediately and describe the symptoms to the operator.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify
facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the
general public to learn the three questions. They presented their
conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last
February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and
treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage.

A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people;
you can bet that at least one life will be saved.

could save their lives.

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