Theos-Talk Archives (November 2005 Message tt00116)

Dear Eldon,
As I am a FirstAid Trainer and Assessor with St Andrews 
Ambulance Assosiation and also St John Ambulance Association and aquainted 
with The British Chest, Heart and Stroke Foundation, from the case senario 
that has been mentioned it would be highly unlikely with the information 
given if the person whould have survived in any case.
Reason. The description of the casualty after the fall being able to "enjoy 
the rest of the evening" sounds a bit suspect , along with the time of death 
being 6pm that same day which runs contary to" the rest of the evening"
STROKE occurs in two ways it is either a blood Clot in the brain depending 
on the area affected would show reletively quickly. the other cause would be 
cerebral bleeding, which varies on the size of the blood vessel involved 
therefore the signs and symptoms would begin to show after a short period of 
time.
Stroke recognition
Problems with speech or swallowing. (not evident in this case)
Side of mouth uneven (not mentioned)
Loss of power to limbs (casualty carried on as normal)
sudden severe headache (not mentioned)
confused state (again not indicated)
sudden/gradual loss of consciousness (again no mention of any of these 
conditions)

I would rather doubt given the information supplied that this person died 
of stroke. It would be more likely to be CEREBRAL COMPRESSION
Cerebral Compession is recognized by:-
Response deterioration
RECENT HEAD INJURY
Intense headache
Slow noisy Breathing
Slow/strong pulse
Unequal pupils
Paralysis
high temperature/flushed face
drowsiness
irritable behaviour.

It would therefore become apparent that the Golden rule of first aid was not 
adhered to IF IN DOUBT ASSUME THE WORST.
phone for an Ambulance , get casualty to hospital and get them checked out. 
In this case I have severe doubt if the casualty did "carry on as normal" 
for the rest of the evening. I would be contacting whereever this report 
came from to get more information. However, I have seen a similar story 
about a year ago,which I will put into the URBAN MYTH catagory.
Best wishes
Iain.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eldon B Tucker" <eldon@theosophy.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Theos-World FW: Stroke Recognition


> Something useful to know that I saw at work.
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> Hi, this is worth reading
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> Just in case it ever comes to that. You never know, it might make a
> difference.
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> The life you save may be mine. I'm sending this on out of self
> preservation.
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> Subject: STROKE RECOGNITION
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> During a BBQ a friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured 
> everyone
> that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over 
> a
> brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new
> plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about
> enjoying herself the rest of the evening. Ingrid's husband called later
> telling everyone that his wife had been taken to the hospital - (at 
> 6:00pm,
> Ingrid passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known
> how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us 
> today.
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> It only takes a minute to read this - Recognizing a Stroke ----- A
> neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he 
> can
> totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was
> getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient within 3
> hours which is tough.
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> RECOGNIZING A STROKE
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> Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!
> Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, 
> the
> lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain 
> damage
> when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke.
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> Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple
> questions:
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> 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.
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> 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.
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> 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is
> sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call
> 000 immediately and describe the symptoms to the operator.
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> After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify
> facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the
> general public to learn the three questions. They presented their
> conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last
> February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and
> treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage.
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> A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 
> people;
> you can bet that at least one life will be saved.
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> BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you
> could save their lives.
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