Theos-Talk Archives (October 2005 Message tt00040)

The reward of the father Matthew 6: 1-6
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-Bryan
On 10/3/05, W.Dallas TenBroeck <dalval14@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> 10/3/2005 4:45 AM
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> Gerry:
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> I've been looking for an explicit statement or quote as to Christ saying
> this about "Grace."
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> Do you have a satisfactory one or is it a priestly interpolation or
> translation alteration?
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> The language of Jesus implies not only rebellion but defiance of the
> Mosaic
> "Lord God."
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> "Ye have heard," he tells us, "that it hath been said, an eye for an eye,
> and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but
> whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
> Ye have heard that it hath been said [by the same "Lord God" on Sinai]:
> Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you;
> Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate
> you,
> and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" (Matthew
> v.)."
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> Nothing about "grace ?"
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> Still puzzled and "maya" does not un-puzzle me mind.
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> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:09 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: GRACE
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> DTB GRACE
> A few words of introduction:
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> The dictionary shows the many facets of meaning exposed by the word
> "Grace"
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> It has however a deep philosophical and metaphysical significance
> starting with the first "Spiritual" radiance that precedes manifestation.
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> It is therefore present in all manifested beings " the monads know it
> well, as it is of their essence.
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> GS According to Mosaic law, when someone did something wrong, they
> were supposed to pay for it. Moses desribes this law as "an eye for an eye
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> a tooth for a tooth."
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> We see this same law being ineterpreted in some occult circles as karma.
> Some would say that karma is a law that demands an effect for every cause
> and a cause for every effect.
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> OK, but then along came Jesus who taught Grace. He said that we can get
> rid
> of our bad deeds, have them forgiven or expunged, by what is called God's
> Grace. God's Grace is part of His eternal forgiveness which in turn comes
> from the idea that He is love. So while the followers of Moses believe in
> an eye for an eye, the followers of Jesus believe that evil can be
> forgiven
> and that such a thing as atonement is possible if we are truly repentant.
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> I see these same two principles, the same two beliefs, in Theosophy and
> occultism. In the old days, there are those who believed that karma
> demands
> justice, demands an eye for an eye. But then along came Buddha who taught
> the doctrine of Liberation, that karma can be expunged or eliminated
> through Liberation.
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> Now, whether we call it Grace or Liberation, the teaching here is that our
> past bad deeds can be forgiven, our karma can be eliminated, we can achive
> at-one-ment, and that this can happen in a single second. All that it
> takes
> is forgiveness, an honest forgiveness that is accompanied by purification
> and repentance.
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> Now, how can such a thing as Grace exist? It does so because (1) samsara
> and nirvana are mayavic illusions, (2) nothing in manifestation is
> permanent, and (3) we are only bound by karma for as long as we believe in
> a self that deserves rewards and punishments.
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> Jerry S.
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