Theos-Talk Archives (September 2005 Message tt00209)

9/17/2005 11:57 AM

Friends:

According to THEOSOPHY, as I understand:  

"Bad" Karma is created when we deliberately choose to disregard honesty, and
sound balanced and just moral and ethical principles, and act on selfish
ones (or personal greed) in disregard of others' rights and needs.

If we were convinced we are IMMORTALS, and that all other humans are so
likewise, then we could not afford to treat them carelessly.

They ought to be regarded as our eternal brothers and sisters. 

All our evil deeds, words, thoughts eventually -- all recoil on us. So why
invite more trouble and woe than we already are burdened with ? 

Karma (as described in THEOSOPHY ) is impartial, as it is the reaction of
the whole of Nature (the Universe) in response to all our choice (good or
bad).

As far as I can see, there is no better explanation for fairness, mercy and
justice than this.  

"The hands that smite us are our own." 

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:15 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Calm Abiding and Special insight 

M	I think you might have something there.>>

LOL

^:-/ ... Sometimes I wonder about your sense of humor.

Manas and our normal waking consciousness is on the mental plane. The
causal plane is where our archetypes and intuitions are located or focused
on. Most people experience the causal plane as a vast nothingness because
it s largely formless. We remember nothing because nothing was impressed on
our brains which were temporarily out of order. We enter this state
in-between our dreams which take place on the astral and mental planes. As
we enter the dreamless sleep state, we encounter a light called the clear
light of sleep, but few recognize it or recall it. I had a clear experience
of this only one time, many years ago, and it was so vivid that I can still
recall it. The entire night past as if it were a few seconds. If nothing
else, the sleep state is usually one of rest and peace and calmness. Too
bad it is so temporary.

I think you might have something there. I'm trying to be serious/"serious"
here, if somewhat speculatively, believe it or not,

I thought we might generally tend to acknowledge on this list that there
might ve various tendencies among humans to "react," as per, say,
"karma/maya," and that such reactions or products of reactions might, at
times, tend to be seen (by some people, maybe ...) as if they might be like
bounce-backs from something like apparent, or apparently real speculative
dead ends, eg, and that, possibly, in some cases ... ^:-/ ...

Karma is largely created from our reactions and responses rather than our
proactive actions.

You may want to slice it like that, but ... I'm tending to think "karma"
might be seen as having some "influencial aspect" that, ("in turn," if you
like ...),
might be seen as having some "interpretive aspect," regardless of whether
one might be referring to "experiential reality" or "interpretive aspects."
"Seen" by
who? Good question.

Speaking for myself, I believe I was the one who first talked about a
"karmic backlash" and it happened to me many years ago, and the result was
my arthritis which I still have today. RA is usually genetic but no one in
my family has ever had it. However, I did have all the symptoms of limes
disease back before anyone knew anything about it.>>

Yes and if you follow conventionalities when coping with your RA and
whatever, I suspect you're coping might not get very far, but ... how about
"organic silica" (if you were to google on that ...) and what about
SierraSil/catsclaw ... ? SierraSil seems to have some iron in it, so if you
might want to watch out for your blood pressure ... I don't know. Just
speculating. I don't think I might generally want to take "karmic
backlashes" just lying down, though: what about the "karmic backashes" of
taking "karmic backlashes" lying down ... ?

HPB and others have likened magic and occultism to matches and the
unprepared to playful children, and the usual karmic result of mixing the
two is what I call a backlash.

Yes, so much more reason why I think one might benefit from taking
Speculation 101.

M seems to me that some people might also be seen to sort of
"react" (kind of backlashedly, in a sense ...) by way of "experiencing some
mystical experience," say ... especially if the prior cornering or
compressive experience (that might be seen as having led to the reaction
...) has been "apparently" of a type that might be seen as possibly
productive of some mystical experience per one's worldview and "karma."
But then I'm just speculating, as ususal. 

I have no idea what you mean here, and cannot envision mystical
experiences as being a backlash of anything. 

I meant "backlash/reaction" "interpretively" like when one might be seen to
"react/interpret (and thereby "experience something mystical") after having
one of those "SEE's" you mentioned (especially if such a SEE might be seen
to have been fostered by one's lack of "understanding" about things like
Speculation 101).

Usually they are a desired goals. Now, if one meditates a lot, and is
unprepared for such things as Kundalini, then Her uncontrolled activation
inside one's body could be considered a backlash. I read an article awhile
back about Jane Huston (I think) who spontaneously had a mystical experience
and had no idea what it was, and thought that she ws losing her mind. She
spent several years coming to terms with it and so I can sort of see how
this could be an example of a backlash kind of, in a way, perhaps. But I
don't think she was "cornered."

Maybe you can explain your meaning a bit better for an old man on the verge
of senility here.

Not that I might not be seen as a man on the verge of senility, myself, but
here's some speculation on that "cornering" topic. As in SEE'edly ...
(that's my "short version"). Are you saying that you don't see any cornery
parallel there ... ? Seems to me that if one has some dramatic/traumatic
enough experience then that might seem kind of cornery to some people (while
one might be supposed to be free, technically, to interpet whatever about
one's situation). A somewhat "pssible bottomy line" here might be, (as I
might tend to see it ...): that "interpetation" might be "interpreted" to be
"interpretation." (Which kind of "interpretation" seems to me as if it
might have had something to do with why I took up "just being,"
incidentally.)

M<< I've been speculating about whether I might want to speculate in terms
of
whether or not my speculations might have had a hand in keeping me from
some "d/Directer" myticalities, maybe. >>

<<Omygod, I actually followed this and understand what you are saying. LOL,
keep speculating if you want to avoid experiencing.>>

Maybe you still don't get some of my speculative nuances ... ? I don't
necessarily want to "avoid experiencing" some things, per se, so much as
maybe wanting to speculatively lay down something "carpety" ... I was going
to say "red carpet," but maybe not so much "red" as ... er, something
"carpety," maybe, depending on ... "^:-/ " Sorry about having to resort to
more esoteric/y quotes.

CUT