Theos-Talk Archives (August 2005 Message tt00231)

=>And where and how did the "Point Loma" views on the SEVEN PRINCIPLES 
diverge
from those of Mr. Judge ? See below how he presented them. He copied what
HPB taught in The KEY TO THEOSOPHY and in the SECRET DOCTRINE .


Dear Dallas,
I never found in my study that that what was taught in Point Loma by KT or 
GdeP diverged from HPB or Judge.
Some see diverges between KT and GdeP or between WQJ and KT. But it only a 
gamey dead letter reading.

I have always found - even in some, rare cases where my lower mind was going 
to fool me - that the teachings of of four messengers - HPB, WQJ, KT, GdeP, 
form a complete and consistent, logical whole.
To Emmett Small the Point Loma tradition was the most accurate way which was 
begone by HPB and her most faithful expression.
To the late John Cooper Point Loma is the Middle Way in Theosophy.
Other theosophical traditions may present two extreme poles:

The one lineage assumes too much (and regards people as successors which 
where it not), the other extreme pole rejects too much (and rejects her 
successors, including her first successor, allowing only what he represented 
until 1893, fading out his close relationship with the woman about HPB asked 
him: "Did you have already find her?" and to whom she hinted in her 1889 
"Key to Theosophy", when refering to the Boston Nationalist Club, where she 
and other Theosophist played a leading role.

BTW, HPB and HSO were also leading in the the Indian Nationalist movement. 
It is interesting to see that this early theosophists were active to make 
the nations stronger and more spiritual.
In contrast, since the Freemason Lodges in London and Paris decided to 
destroy a neighbour country, at in full swing during the 20th Century, 
hidden hands, politicians and the mass media drum for the destruction of the 
nations and replacement of the old peoples by violating Africans to 
immigrate in great masses in to European countries. Before 1945 Germany was 
without a significant number of foreigners (as also Tibet in the East). The 
Germans did not want them, they were bomb down. Many crimes and wars were 
started in the world to get millions and millions of refugees as new 
occupants.
Theosophists of today seem to support these crimes.

There was an Austrian Jew and high degree Freemason Coudenhove-Kalerghi, who 
developed in 1923 in an article of a Vienna FM magazine and in several later 
books around 1925 the Pan-Europe movement, where he expresses his idea that 
the nations must be destroyed and the ancestral population must be 
intermixed by foreigners to break their wills and national souls. He opted 
for the violent import of millions of Asiatics and African to destroy the 
European genom pole. This would weaken especially Germany so much that a 
soulless "Asiatic-negroid" mix-race would replace the old population. Than 
wil the time come when the Jews rule over all of them as their Master-race.

Pro conspiracy people say that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, 
which are said to have been developed since the Rothschild's hired Karl Marx 
and Joly, are a fake and have no real basis.
Although history says otherwise and although Zionist leader Theodor Herzl 
admits in his (censored) diaries that the Basle congress consisted of a 
public and a private meeting and neither the protocol of the public nor the 
protocol of the private congress are published until today as recently a 
Jewish friend of mine (who opposes the antisemitic Zionism).

But one thing is sure: The books of this dark Coudenhove-Kalerghi are 
guaranteed no falsification, because one can find them still in some 
libraries over Europe. And in his books he describes a conspiracy which 
happened and still happens and what is similar to the Protocols.

To give the American fellow-Theosophists a little glimpse: According to 
offical statistsics the population in Germany is around 80 millions. 
Although Germany is forced since decades to let in millions of poor and very 
criminal people of foreign races, the official statistics had a constant 
figure of seven millions foreigners until the 1990's. Then the figure 
changed from one year to the next constant figure of 14 millions. But other 
sources say the real figure of foreigners (or civil occupants) is up to 35 
millions. Even the pc-establishment paper DER SPIEGEL wrote about that 
figure. That would mean that every third person in Germany is not a German. 
And of the rest of the Germans, who are dying out, wheras the foreigners are 
large families with three, four, five and more children, is destroyed. A 
complete family with father, mother, child is ahrd to find in the younger 
generation and when a young woman get's a child, she kicks out the father. 
Most of the getting small number of children raise without father. Common 
meals are nearly unknown today. Frequent meals, too. More and more children 
starve from hunger as the nervous mothers do not care for them. In the 
problem districts of Berlin like Kreuzberg, Wedding, Mitte the Turkish 
foreigners have a 80% majority. Scientists say that in one generation the 
German will be the minority in Germany. Will they then rounded up in 
reservations like the red Indians.
This year we had the first schools without ANY German child.

It may be of interest to know that even to the moral of the UN - which was 
founded to destroy Germany and its genom pole - humans have the right of a 
homeland, but not a right to steal other peoples land.
No Nationalist Club are seen to end the cultural, spiritual, economical and 
biological genocide.

The Adyar TS has - as their own documents in my pssession proof - always 
supported this Judeo-Freemasonry conspiracy. The Halcyon group, too. ULT - 
don't know. Point Loma was pro Germany.

But is the destruction of the nations really that what HPB wanted?
Does Theosophy support the violent resettlement of millions of a foreign 
race?
Does Theosophy support the multi-culti crime, internationalism, UN, world 
republic, globalization?
Is it Unversal Brotherhood when Universal Brotherhood is destroyed?
Is it right to do crimes, make wars, civil wars and steal other countries 
treasures of the soil and force their starving and persecuted population to 
immigrate in deadly large numbers into Europe?

Will the paradise come, when the last German is perished?

"Theories of internationalism, being based on local point of view, can 
accomplish no more than to reduce all nations to one dead-level of 
suppression, leading ultimately to explosion more terrific than the 
outbursts of Vesuvius - matter seeking to imprison force.
It is the Universal Law that makes possible the playing of Beethoven's magic 
compositions by orchestra of a hundred pieces. To compel the first and 
second violins to use their bows simultaneausly, would accomplish a result 
as futile in degree, and in its way, as any effort to bind the nations in 
one man-governed league. It is enough, and difficult enough, that nations 
should govern themselves; and they will never attain harmony by all striving 
to be the first violins. Order is attained by listening, self-government, 
and work; and not by listening to the next piece in the orchestra but to the 
universal symphony."
- Talbot Mundy: "Universal", The Theosophical Path, January 1924, reprint 
in: "The Lama's Law. Talbot Mundy in 'The Theosophical Path'", Ohio, Isis 
Books 1995, pp. 41-42.

Frank



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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Hejka-Ekins
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:56 PM
To:
Subject: Re: To Jerry HE:
Does GdP actually teach this view given by Frank?


Dear Dallas,

I appreciate your exposition of Theosophical teachings from what you
consider to be source writings.

However, different Theosophical traditions have different notions about
which writers are authoritative, which writers are less so, and how to
interpret these writings. What I am suggesting is that what is taught in
the ULT tradition about the seven principles is not necessarily helpful in
understanding what the
Point Loma Tradition taught about the seven principles.

No judgment about either system is implied here.

Just that we can't learn much
about ducks by studying rabbits.

Best wishes,

Jerry

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Mr. Judge wrote:

SEVEN-FOLD NATURE AND MAN -- " 7 PRINCIPLES"


The universe evolves from the unknown, on seven planes, and in
seven ways in all worlds. And this sevenfold differentiation
causes all the worlds of the universe, and the beings thereon, to
have a septenary constitution.

The divisions of the sevenfold universe may be laid down roughly
as: The Absolute, Spirit, Mind, Matter, Will, Akasa or AEther,
and Life. In place of "the Absolute" we can use the word "Space."
For "Space" is that which ever is, and in which all manifestation
must take place.

Our knowledge begins with differentiation, and all manifested
objects, beings, or powers are only differentiations of the Great
Unknown.

The most that can be said of the Absolute" is that IT
periodically differentiates itself, and periodically withdraws
the differentiated into itself. As to "the Absolute," we can do
no more than say IT IS. None of the Great Teachers of the School
ascribe qualities to "the Absolute," although all qualities exist
in It.

The first differentiation -- speaking metaphysically as to
time -- is Spirit, with which appears Matter and Mind. This is a
Unit, and, called the "Monad." [ In manifestation, it is a
triune Unity, consisting of: ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS, or, Spirit -
Wisdom - Mind] The Monad is held to be immortal throughout the
great life-cycle, whether Manvantara or Kalpa. It is the basis
for human Individuality.

The term "Akasa," taken from the Sanskrit, is used in place of
AEther, to properly designate that tenuous state of matter which
is now sometimes called "Ether" by modern science. Akasa is
produced from Matter and Spirit.

Will is the force of Spirit in action. And Life (Jiva) is a
resultant of the action of Akasa, moved by Spirit, upon Matter.

But the Matter here spoken of, is not that which is commonly
known as such. It is the Real Matter which is always invisible,
and has sometimes been called Primordial Matter. In the
Brahmanical system it is called "Mulaprakriti" (or "Root
Matter"). And it is sometimes referred to as "Maha-Buddhi." [In
considering this, one may think of an "atom" as essentially an
eternal, individualized field of electro-magnetic Force.
Physical material is condensed in and around it by attraction.
The formation of worlds, and the reincarnation of human Souls,
may be thought of in similar terms, and follow a similar pattern.]

The ancient teaching always held, as is now admitted by Science,
that we see or perceive only the phenomena but not the essential
nature, cause or being of Matter.


SOUL -- EGO -- MIND

Nearly everyone says he has a soul and a body, and there it ends. What the
soul is, and whether it is the real person or whether it has any powers of
its own, are not inquired into, the preachers usually confining themselves
to its salvation or damnation. And by thus talking of it as something
different from oneself, the people have acquired an underlying notion that
they are not souls because the soul may be lost by them. From this has come
about a tendency to materialism causing men to pay more attention to the
body than to the soul, the latter being left to the tender mercies of the
priest of the Roman Catholics, and among dissenters the care of it is most
frequently put off to the dying day. But when the true teaching is known it
will be seen that the care of the soul, which is the Self, is a vital matter
requiring attention every day, and not to be deferred without grievous
injury resulting to the whole man, both soul and body..


THE 7-FOLD CLASSIFICATION

H. P. Blavatsky directly from the Great Lodge of Initiates.places.the old
doctrine [of seven-fold Man] before western civilization. The
classification is:

1. The Body, or Rupa.
2. Vitality, or Prana-Jiva.
3. Astral Body, or Linga-Sarira.
4. Animal Soul, or Kama-Rupa
5. Human Soul, or Manas.
6. Spiritual Soul, or Buddhi.
7. Spirit, or Atma,

The words in the Sanskrit language are adopted the English terms. This
classification stands to this day for all practical purposes, but it is
capable of modification and extension.

For instance, a later arrangement which places ASTRAL BODY second instead
of third in the category does not substantially alter it. It at once gives
an idea of what man is, very different from the vague description by the
words "body and soul," and also boldly challenges the materialistic
conception that mind is the product of brain, a portion of the body.

No claim is made that these principles were hitherto unknown, for they were
all understood in various ways not only by the Hindus but by many Europeans.
Yet the compact presentation of the sevenfold constitution of man in
intimate connection with the septenary constitution of a chain of Globes
through which the being evolves, had not been given out.

Considering these constituents in another manner, we would say that the
lower man is a composite being, but in his real nature is a unity, or
immortal being, comprising a trinity of Spirit, Discernment, and Mind which
requires four lower mortal instruments or vehicles through which to work in
matter and obtain experience from Nature.

This trinity is that called Atma-Buddhi-Manas in Sanskrit, difficult terms
to render in English. Atma is Spirit, Buddhi is the highest power of
intellection, that which discerns and judges, and Manas is Mind. This
threefold collection is the real man; and beyond doubt the doctrine is the
origin of the theological one of the trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
The four lower instruments or vehicles are shown in this table:

Real Man is :

Atma,
Buddhi,
Manas,

Lower Vehicles are :

. The Passions and Desires,
. Life Principle,
. Astral Body,
. Physical Body.

These four lower material constituents are transitory and subject to
disintegration in themselves as well as to separation from each other. When
the hour arrives for their separation to begin, the combination can no
longer be kept up, the physical body dies, the atoms of which each of the
four is composed begin to separate from each other, and the whole collection
being disjointed is no longer fit for one as an instrument for the real man.


DEATH of the PHYSICAL

This is what is called "death" among us mortals, but it is not death for the
real man because he is deathless, persistent, immortal. He is therefore
called the Triad, or indestructible trinity, while they are known as the
Quaternary or mortal four.

This quaternary or lower man is a product of cosmic or physical laws and
substance. It has been evolved during a lapse of ages, like any other
physical thing, from cosmic substance, and is therefore subject to physical,
physiological, and psychical laws which govern the race of man as a whole.

Hence its period of possible continuance can be calculated just as the limit
of tensile strain among the metals used in bridge building can be deduced by
the engineer. Any one collection in the form of man made up of these
constituents is therefore limited in duration by the laws of the
evolutionary period in which it exists. Just now, that is generally seventy
to one hundred years, but its possible duration is longer. Thus there are in
history instances where ordinary persons have lived to be two hundred years
of age; and by a knowledge of the occult laws of nature the possible limit
of duration may be extended nearly to four hundred years.

. THE VISIBLE PHYSICAL MAN IS:
.
. Brain, Nerves, Blood, Bones, Lymph, Muscles, Organs of Sensation and
Action, and Skin.


. THE UNSEEN PHYSICAL MAN IS:
.
. Astral Body, Passions and Desires, Life Principle (called prana or
jiva).


It will be seen that the physical part of our nature is thus extended to a
second department which, though invisible to the physical eye, is
nevertheless material and subject to decay.


REAL AND UNREAL

Because people in general have been in the habit of admitting to be real
only what they can see with the physical eye, they have at last come to
suppose that the unseen is neither real nor material. But they forgot that
even on the earth plane noxious gases are invisible though real and
powerfully material, and that water may exist in the air held suspended and
invisible until conditions alter and cause its precipitation.

Let us recapitulate before going into details. The Real Man is the trinity
of Atma-Buddhi-Manas, or Spirit and Mind, and he uses certain agents and
instruments to get in touch with nature in order to know himself.

These instruments and agents are found in the lower Four -- or the
Quaternary -- each principle in which category is of itself an instrument
for the particular experience belonging to its own field, the body being the
lowest, least important, and most transitory of the whole series.

For when we arrive at the body on the way down from the Higher Mind, it can
be shown that all of its organs are in themselves senseless and useless when
deprived of the man within.

Sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smelling do not pertain to the body but to
the second unseen physical man, the real organs for the exercise of those
powers being in the ASTRAL BODY, and those in the physical body being but
the mechanical outer instruments for making the coordination between nature
and the real organs inside.

[Extracts from THE OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY ]

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