RE: GEOLOGICAL SUCCESSION AND AGES Demon Haunted Response
Aug 22, 2005 03:30 AM
by W.Dallas TenBroeck
8/22/2005 2:54 AM
Dear Kathy:
RE: GEOLOGICAL SUCCESSION AND AGES
The notes you sent are indeed interesting, however there is the view
offered by Theosophical chronology:
Go to SECRET DOCTRINE II pp. 6-12.
Read what is said of the dimensions of the ancient continents there.
1 IMPERISHABLE SACRED LAND S D II 6, 201, 291, 400, 416fn,,
776-7,
2 HYPERBOREAN S D II 7, 11, 138, 324-6, 398-400, 401-2, 769-81,
3 LEMURIA S D II 7, 263, 323-333, 368, 401-3, 606fn, 678-9,
788-9,
4 ATLANTIS S D II 8, 35fn, 322-3, 333-4,
5 AMERICA S D II 8, 327, 405, 444-6, M L p. 155,
Mankind (physical) is over 18 million years old S D I 150fn, 159,
604, II 69, 254,
Titans (3rd Race} S D II 713-19,
Aryan (5th Race) S D II 10, 470-1,
Geological ages -- conventional terms S D II 710-14
Lyell, G. (gradualism) S D II 10fn, 693, 714,
Best wishes,
Dallas
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TIME CHARTS -- GEOLOGICAL CHRONOLOGY
Below is a table of Geological Ages as they were estimated in HPB's time,
and as they are estimated now. [SD II 710] These dates are used by
Scientific
Geology and are approximate estimates only. ]
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Years Years
Name of
GEOLOGICAL AGE HPB's S D DATES MODERN DATES
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PRIMORDIAL 321,000,000 10,000,000,000 + [SD II 711-2]
PALEOZOIC
Laurentian . . . 1 billion (+/-)
Cambrian . . . 590,000,000
Ordovician . . . 505,000,000
Silurian . . . . 438,000,000
PRIMARY . 150,000,000
[SD II 712]
Devonian . . . 408,000,000
Carboniferous . . . 360,000,000
Permian . . . 280,000,000
SECONDARY . 45,000,000
[SD II 713-4]
MESOZOIC
Triassic . . . . 248,000,000
Jurassic . . . . 213,000,000
Cretaceous . . . 144,000,000
TERTIARY 9,000,000
[SD II 714]
CENOZOIC
Paleocene . . . 65,000,000
Eocene . . . 55,000,000
Oligocene . . . 38,000,000
Miocene . . . 25,000,000
Pliocene . . . 5,000,000
QUATERNARY 1,600,000
[SD II 715]
Paleolithic . . . 4,000,000
Pleistocene . . . 2,000,000
Neolithic . . .
Holocene . . . 100,000
Historical . . . 10,000
PRESENT DAY
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ARCHAEOLOGY AND PALEONTOLOGY
Some Quotations
“Whatever plane our consciousness may be acting in, both we and the things
belonging to that plane are, for the time being, our only realities.”
Secret Doctrine I, 40
“The antediluvian ancestors of the present elephant and lizard were,
perhaps, the mammoth and plesiosaurus; why should not the progenitors of our
present human race have been the "giants" of the Vedas, the Voluspa and the
Book of Genesis?” Isis Unveiled I, 153
“And, as the very existence of those gigantic ancestors of ours is now
questioned--though in the Himavats, on the very territory belonging to you,
we have a cave full of the skeletons of these giants--and their huge frames,
when found are invariably regarded as isolated freaks of nature, so the vril
or Akas--as we call it--is looked upon as an impossibility, a myth.”
Letter from a Mahatma, 1888 -- ML p. 2
“The discovery of "Cascadia," as it has been called, also illuminates as by
a lightning flash H.P.B.'s enigmatic reference to "ruins strewn along and
beyond the Rocky Mountains"...In "Cascadia" were found pictographs identical
in form with Egyptian, Chaldean, Babylonian, Chinese, and Arabian symbols;
some of them very plainly, to the Theosophic eye, among the first cosmic
symbols of the Wisdom-Religion. . .Four features of this sign writing
indicate its formidable age:
1. It is primitive and unpolished in character; the same signs elsewhere,
known to be at least 7000 years old (in our opinion, more like 70,000), are
effete and decadent in comparison. Therefore these signs are looked upon by
the discoverers as the origin of those used elsewhere.
2. There is no known tradition of migrations or crossings explaining the
connection between these and the Asian signs, other than the echoes of
forgotten Atlantis.
3. There are pictures of dinosaurs and extinct forms of animal life, though
perhaps not as unmistakable as those found by the Hubbard expedition in
Grand Canyon, or by W. L. Chalmers at Grand Lake in the Colorado Rockies.
4. There is "desert varnish" and evidence of subsequent volcanic action over
the inscriptions. The [San Francisco] Examiner rhetorically asks that
Geology explain what age this signifies. But Geology will not dare to do
so--as yet. “ Theosophy Magazine, 13, 259; April 1925
“How much more logical to believe--as the Occultists do--that many
humanities, differing from our present mankind appeared but to disappear
from the face of the earth, as our own will. Those primitive and far-distant
humanities, having, as geologists think, left no tangible relics of
themselves, are denied. All trace of them is swept away, and therefore they
have never existed. Yet their relics--a very few of them, truly--are to be
found, and they have to be discovered by geological research.” Secret
Doctrine I, 609
“Typological thinking and the idea of the fixity of species can be traced
back in biological thought to Aristotle, who in turn had derived it from the
Platonic doctrine of the eidos [forms]. For centuries during the middle ages
Aristotle's philosophy of nature had been the official doctrines of the
Church and his views still carried great weight among biologists of the
early nineteenth century. The discoveries of science, and particularly the
magnificently ordered vision of the physical world implicit in the Newtonian
synthesis, were all taken as evidence for the existence of a creator and the
grandeur of his design.
The pre-Darwinian biologists believed that all of the categories represented
an ideal plan or type which had been conceived in the mind of God. . . The
conflict between science and religion only erupted later in the nineteenth
century when it became generally acknowledged that discoveries in geology
and biology were incompatible with a literal Genesis.” Evolution, a
Theory in Crisis, 19, 20, 51 --Michael Denton
“In his book [On the Origin of Species] Darwin is actually presenting two
related but quite distinct theories. The first, which has sometimes been
called the "special theory," is relatively conservative and restricted in
scope and merely proposes that new races and species arise in nature by the
agency of natural selection. . . The second theory, which is often called
the "general theory," is far more radical. It makes the claim that the
"special theory" applies universally; and hence that the appearance of all
the manifold diversity of life on earth can be explained by a simple
extrapolation of the processes which bring about relatively trivial changes
such as those seen on the Galapagos Islands. . . In the Origin Darwin made
no claim that his model of evolution could be extended to explain the origin
of life, but the implication was there and was soon taken up by some of his
contemporaries like Thomas Huxley.” Denton 44, 251
“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not
possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my
theory would absolutely break down.”
On the Origin of Species, 6th ed. 182 -- Charles Darwin
“It is still, as it was in Darwin's day, overwhelmingly true that the first
representatives of all the major classes of organisms known to biology are
already highly characteristic of their class when they make
their initial appearance in the fossil record.
“Neither of the two fundamental axioms of Darwin's macro-evolutionary
theory--the concept of the continuity of nature--that is the idea of a
functional continuum of all life forms linking all species together and
ultimately leading back to a primeval cell, and the belief that all the
adaptive design of life has resulted from a blind random process—have been
validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since
1859.” Denton 162, 345
“Not only was there no positive fossil evidence for such transitions, but
much more seriously it was now clear [by 1860!] that the earliest known
forms of Palaeozoic life were already highly complex organisms.” . The
Meaning of Fossils 239 -- J. M. Rudwick
“The inference to design is a purely a posteriori induction based on a
ruthlessly consistent application of the logic of analogy. The conclusion
may have religious implications, but it does not depend on
religious assumptions. . . It is the sheer universality of perfection, the
fact that everywhere we look, to whatever depth we look, we find an elegance
and ingenuity of an absolutely transcending quality, which so mitigates
against the idea of chance.” Denton 341, 342
“The Universe is worked and guided from within outwards. As above so it is
below. . . The whole Kosmos is guided, controlled, and animated by almost
endless series of Hierarchies of sentient Beings, each having a mission to
perform, and who--whether we give to them one name or another, and call them
Dhyan-Chohans or Angels--are "messengers" in the sense only that they are
the agents of Karmic and Cosmic Laws.” Secret Doctrine I,
274
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cass Silva
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:31 AM
To:
Subject: GEOLOGICAL AGES & CONTINENTS Demon Haunted Response
Dear Dallas,
I don't know if there is anything of interest in this piece, but it is my
response to the first chapter of Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World.
Cass
Dear Anne, In spiritu et veritate
I was delighted when I read that “All our science measured against reality
is primitive and childlike and yet it is the most precious thing we have.”
Carl raised the following points, in a patronizing tone, against William
F.Buckley
Did he know about molecular biology?
Did he know about paleontology?
Did he know about oceanography?
Did he know about genealogy?
No, only that DNA were frequently linked capital letters
And that
“What was allowed to trickle through was mainly pretense and confusion”.
By the 1900’s evolution was thoroughly embedded in the science curricula and
treated as fact, although it was limited to secondary schools. See Hunter’s
Croce Biology. The BSCS released a new series of textbooks in early 1960
that dogmatically affirmed the teaching of evolution. In 1968 Bible and
prayer reading was removed from schools.
So my question is, if a trickle was only getting through, where lies the
source of this statement and if accurate then science itself is to blame for
the trickle as it was being taught in schools for 50 years when Carl made
this claim?
Carl then labeled Buckley naïve in his thinking stating that “all claims to
knowledge require adequate evidence before they can be accepted”. Quoting
that science has never found any geological or oceanographic support for the
existence of Atlantis and or Lemuria. Therefore they never existed. I am
fine with his analysis, but then he provides an example in the newly
discovered ancient civilization of Ebla that advertised the virtues of Ebla
beer.
Carl cites another ancient civilization, Ebla. It is historically recorded
that Ebla had a very modern civilization prior to 1000bc, that they were
polytheistic, worshipping Astarte. They were Canaanites yet scripts found
were Sumerian cuneiform – no explanation has been found for this anomaly as
yet. And the crushing point, that Ebla’s final destruction occurred in the
giant upheavals that engulfed the Middle East about 1650-1000 bc!
Apparently their culture and tradition lived on in Syrian culture.
In one statement Carl laughs at the idea of submerging continents then
quotes a civilization that was destroyed by giant upheavals???
Carl proceeds to quote Plato as getting “old and grumpy” and demon haunted
that their ignorance of science and mathematics contributed to the decline
of ancient Athens, when Bart and Schwegger showed that the ancients were
well acquainted with the mutual attractions of iron and the lodestone as
well as with the positive and negative properties of electricity. The
reciprocal magnetic relations of the planetary orbs, which are all magnets
and aerolites, were called by them magnetic stones. In 1872 Pr. A. M. Meyer
also stated that The Earth was a great magnet, adding “on any sudden
agitation of the sun’s surface the magnetism of the earth receives a
profound disturbance in its equilibrium, causing fitful tremors in the
magnets of our observations and producing those grand outbursts of the polar
lights, whose lambent flames dance in rhythm to the quivery needle. Science
is now coming around to this way of thinking, suggesting sun spots may be
the cause of our current and past extreme
weather conditions.
Carl uses the Library of Alexandria as a recurring theme yet discounts the
information as myth and demon haunted.
Carl attacks the naïve notion of UFO sightings, yet spends years looking for
ET life through the SETI program.
Carl discounts the raising of the Himalayas yet cannot explain how the Andes
got to be where they are now.
“Seen from space, the curved hook of the Andes Mountains looks a bit likea
walking cane ready to head westward on a jaunt across the Pacific Ocean. If
you could peer outward from the center of Earth, however, a different
pattern would emerge: The same arcing shape would turn into a continent-size
question mark.
The question that needs answering is why the Andes exist at all, contend
geo-physicists Raymond M. Russo and Paul G. Silver, who claim that the
classical theory of plate tectonics offers no explanation.
World-class mountain ranges are formed, in theory, only when two continents
run into each other, as India and Asia are doing today. That continental
shoving match has over the last 40 million years compressed the landscape as
though it were an accordion, raising up the Himalayas and the Tibetan
plateau. Similarly, the Andes show massive compression in places and possess
a high plateau like Tibet's. But whereas India is plowing into Asia, South
America has no continental opponent to push against. So what forces have
erected the Andes, the highest peaks in the Western Hemisphere, ask Russo
and Silver, former colleagues at the Carnegie Institution of Washington,
D.C. (Russo has since moved to the University of Montpellier II in France.)”
COPYRIGHT 1995 Science Service, Inc. COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group
Carl suggests that “the recent findings of the real science of seismology
that the inner core of the Earth may be composed of a single huge nearly
perfect crystal of iron”, then attacks the idea that the Atlanteans used
crystals to read minds, transmit thoughts, and the means of building the
pyramids. My understanding is that crystals are formed throughout the
universe, from the crystalline minute specks in our eyes when we awaken, to
the specks of crystal life that form planets and stars (dust clouds). Like
Pythagoras states, god geometrizes. All life has been shown as crystalline
formations, from the cube through to the tetrahedron. (Disagree about the
Crystal of Iron at the centre of the earth)
And going back to the earlier statement of an electric universe (which
Science is coming around too- see Pr.Kozyrev) which surrounds us and which
bind the cosmos together in ceaseless motion, a universe of magnetic
electrical waves, which are able to penetrate the smallest atom to the
densest matter, why is the idea improbable that the brain processes
‘thought’ as electric in nature. The organ of thinking, the brain, hasbeen
shown by science to be an electrical transmitter, why then is the idea
improbable that the brain processes ‘thought’ as a naturally occurring
electric phenomenon, and if this is the case we should be able to connect
with other electric waves in our environment. This certainly proves the case
for mesmerism and hypnotism when it is known that a mesmerizer can overpower
his subject by word suggestion, which is merely thought projection. This
also would explain the phenomenon of ESP, Remote Viewing, etc. The
mesmerizer is able to penetrate into other persons
thought processes, at a conscious and subconscious level.
after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the United States, when Dean
Radin and his team at the Institute of Noetic Sciences were able to measure
a tremendous change in the behavior of computerized random-number generators
surrounding the time immediately before and after the attack:
Figure 1.4 – Data from Radin / INS measuring a change in mass consciousness
on Sept. 11, 2001
The graph shows that somehow, a change in the mass consciousness of humanity
affected the behavior of electromagnetic energy in computer circuits around
the world, especially those computers nearest to North America. Later we
shall see that this is just the beginning of a whole new world of
“consciousness science.” We will suggest that torsion waves and
consciousness are essentially identical manifestations of intelligent
energy.
Carl likes to laugh at the Ancients cosmology knowing that even before
Ptolemy (who got it from the Babylonians) the ancients taught the sphericity
and rotation of the earth and the motions of the planets. These ideas was
taken up in the 15th century by Nikolaus Krebs (Cardinal de Cusa), (“De
Docta ignorantia”) Pico Count de Mirandolas in the 16th century, Copernicus,
Galileo, and in 1623-1662, Blaise Pascal wrote, “Let him (man) contemplate
Universal Nature in its high and full magistry. Let the earth seem to him
to be a mere point by comparison with the vast circle that this star
describes. Let him stand amazed in reflecting that this vast circle itself
is but a point, very small with regard to that which the stars that sweep
around the firmament embrace….Nature is an infinite sphere, of which the
center is everywhere, the circumference nowhere.
I think it was in the mid 1800’s that the term Science and initial
scientific thinking was metaphysically driven, e.g. Aether, gravitation etc.
They just used different words and probably when the real truth is known,
more specific to what it naturally is.
Luckily, Columbus went against public and church opinion, holding on to the
ancients understanding that the earth was not flat, and sailed for America.
Carl writes
ONE NOW FASHIONABLE SUGGESTION I FIRST PROPOSED IN 1960 IS
THAT THE HIGH TEMPERATURES ON THE SURFACE OF VENUS ARE DUE TO A
RUNAWAY GREENHOUSE EFFECT. (All emphasis added and deserved)
"First, Carl claims that Dr. Velikovsky does not deserve
Credit for predicting high temperatures on Venus because
everybody knew it, although historical fact shows that only Dr.
Wildt had made the same prediction before Velikovsky. Then
Carl either tells a double lie or else suffers an alarming
memory lapse that may require neurological consultation claiming
that neither Dr. Wildt nor Dr. Velikovsky had made this
prediction (which they had, and he had noted earlier) -- and
then he brazenly claims he had originated it himself.
I believe Carl to be a true visionary, but his demon was the visionary
–v-the rationalist. . It explains the dichotomy of his personality and his
contradictions on certain points.
He didn’t believe in the afterlife, but wished to live again.
He had a recurring nightmare that there would be a nuclear holocaust and
built Ithaca mostly underground.
He experienced sleep paralysis, “if only I could get there (parent’s
bedroom) before falling into the clutches of the presence”.
Carl has been hailed to almost godlike status with the Marijuana groups
attempting to legalize the drug.
"I find that today a single joint is enough to get me high.... in one movie
theater recently I found I could get high just by inhaling the cannabis
smoke which permeated the theater." Pot enhanced his pleasure in music and
food. ("A potato will have a texture, body, and taste like that of other
potatoes, but much more so.")
In sex, too: marijuana "gives an exquisite sensitivity, but on the other
hand it postpones orgasm: in part by distracting me with the profusion of
images passing before my eyes."
"I find that most of the insights I achieve when high are into social
issues," he added. "I can remember one occasion, taking a shower with my
wife while high, in which I had an idea on the origins and invalidities of
racism in terms of Gaussian distribution curves.
It was a point obvious in a way, but rarely talked about. I drew the curves
in soap on the shower wall, and went to write the idea down. One idea led
to another, and at the end of about an hour of extremely hard work I found I
had written 11 short essays on a wide range of social, political,
philosophical, and human biological topics...I have used them in university
commencement addresses, public lectures, and in my books....
Carl came at the right time and for the right purpose, but as some old
grumpy man once said “an accepted scientific truth today – in five or ten
years from now will be discredited and considered to be – as exactly it is –
just one more step forward on the path of discovery, although while it was
considered a truth, it had mathematical demonstration, it had a modicum of
philosophical thinking and research were collected and brought together in
proof and support of it.”
We are now in the 21st century; I have the opinion that science, in some
quarters, is still holding on to 20th century scientific concepts and needs
to move forward. Many scientists have taken the attitude that truth has
been established hence there is nothing left to discover, other than those
things which collaborate and support our original theory. They have lost
their understanding of what science is. If science stays fixed in the past
it will have no future.
Perhaps you can explain the phenomena that was Carl Sagan and to a greater
understanding of the man. Perhaps I am attracted to the visionary in him
while you are attracted to the rational thinker, which I am at odds with.
I imagine this will sound the death knell for me on the Carl Sagan group. In
spiritu et veritate
Cass
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