Theos-Talk Archives (August 2005 Message tt00188)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
<dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Sunday, August 21, 2005
> 
> Dear Etzion:
> 
> Thanks. I like particularly what you say here:
> 
> "I think the real magic is by shunning any magic whatsoever. By 
focusing on 
> the Divine, we allow the spirit of Divine Love to work amidst 
humankind.
> This I 
> would call the magic of non-magic."
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Dallas

I agree Dallas.

But he has also said something else, both explicitly and implicitly: 
that in so doing "magic of non-magic" one is at the same time 
blending the two paths within oneself: that is the path of the eye 
and that of the heart. In my mind this is the ultimate goal as laid 
out by both HPB and AAB, though many may deny this as rubbish.

I find this a delicate issue and one that Satsangis struggle with. 
The path is spoken of as Bhakti yoga (heart/devotion) but at the 
same time is called the path of Surap Shabd yoga or the science of 
the sound current. And within this terminology one is clearly 
stating this is the is the path of the eye. Paltu in his experience 
remarks that with the closing of the throat, outer eye and ears 
one's soul slips fluid-like through the tunnel and out in full 
consciousness onto the path--St. Paul's dying daily.

However, let it not be said that the path of the heart does not lead 
to the opening of the eye center. 

I believe it does. But the ultimate goal of reaching the home of the 
Sound current will be done by following where it leads. Through the 
eye of the soul and the bell of the ear, initially, but ultimately 
to something which neither surat nor nirat can fathom.

Netemara
> =====================================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Etzion Becker [mailto:etvionbb@b...] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:25 AM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: BUDDHISM, CHRISTIANITY AND PHALLICISM by HPB
> 
> I looked at this e-mail with some concern. While I agree with what 
you 
> describe below, there is a much more fundamental difference 
between the 
> white and the black magicians:
> 
> When people enter the spiritual Path, they are still under 
tremendous spell 
> of the forces of illusion - anger, lust greed, etc. Both the white 
and the 
> black magicians are subject to these forces, till a certain 
degree. The key 
> difference is, that the white magician has been what we term as a 
good 
> person, who has aspired to help his fellow beings. Such a person, 
when 
> enters the Path, is being helped by the spirtual hierarchy, they 
*put an 
> eye* on him, to prevent him from serious falls, hence a waste of 
precious 
> time.
> 
> A black magician, however, might be a selfish person, who aspires 
to gain 
> powers for self-fulfilment. Not necessarily a bad person, meaning 
evil 
> minded. Such a person can never really advance on the Path, he is 
not under 
> the guidance of the Masters, because he didn't ask for such a 
guidance; the 
> *white* person could be a devoted religious person, who dedicated 
many 
> life-spans for personal communion with *God* or what he feels like 
Higher 
> force, and does good, even goodness is not always what is the 
right thing to
> 
> do, according to the Design and the karma involved.
> 
> Both white and black migicians possess *siddhis* spiritual powers, 
which can
> 
> be cultivated while using knowledge of the Path. The kabalists, 
being fully 
> aware of these possibilities and the dangers involved, don't 
permit their 
> people to start the study of Kabala before the age of 40, and only 
for those
> 
> who are accepting the full doctrines of the religion - being a 
rightous and 
> God fearing person. I suspect this coul be one of the main reason 
for the 
> occult brotherhoods being upset at Blavatsky, for placing the 
occult 
> knowledge at public domain. But this was necessary, since we have 
to take 
> full responsibility as mature spiritual persons.
> 
> I think the real magic is by shunning any magic whatsoever. By 
focussing on 
> the Divine, we allow the spirit of Divine Love work amidst 
humankind. This I
> 
> would call the magic of non magic. Etzion
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>
> To: <study@b...>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:41 AM
> Subject: RE: BUDDHISM, CHRISTIANITY AND PHALLICISM by HPB
> 
> 
> 8/18/2005 5:20 PM
> 
> Dear Gerry:
> 
> As I understand it, both the "white" and the "black" magicians 
have the same
> knowledge of how Nature works -- its laws.
> 
> The difference between the two is:
> 
> The White ADEPT employs his wisdom to assist Nature. He spends 
his time and
> energy to be a generous and wise compassionator. As a group, they 
are said
> to be growth of wisdom and constructive activities -- that is: 
concerned
> with the Manvantaras and the benevolent, virtuous and cooperative 
side of
> individual human life and Nature. They are said to maintain the 
several
> "schools" for disciples and chelas we read about. The SECRET 
DOCTRINE is a
> partial and condensed record of their wisdom and knowledge.
> 
> The "Black adept" uses his knowledge selfishly for his own 
purposes and for
> confusion and destruction. His knowledge obstructs and impedes, 
not only
> Nature's progress, but also, is deliberately used to obstruct the 
advance of
> other disciples and students who may be seeking for the TRUTH. The 
Black
> Adepts are said to preside over the processes that induce the 
Pralayas.
> 
> HPB tries in her days to explain the difference between the "Eye" 
and the
> "Heart" Doctrines. The same difference, of course, continues for 
as long as
> thee are aspirants to improve their "personal" natures and 
transmute them
> into their INDIVIDUAL NATURES where reside the Buddhas and the 
Bodhisattvas
> (the Buddha-lands).
> 
> [As an example, in the present, we have those who spend their time 
to devise
> the viruses and worms that can attack our computers. The same 
rules and laws
> of construction and computer "know-how" are employed in 
constructing a valid
> assistance for a great number of persons like GOOGLE or MICRO-
SOFT.]
> 
> That's as I understand it.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas