Theos-Talk Archives (August 2005 Message tt00007)

This is just a P.S., a 1-paragraph continuation:
Based on some responses in some of the
forums that I posted the below message in,
I want everyone to know that in no way,
shape or form was the idea of getting the
stem cells from ABORTIONS in my mind.
The only things in my mind were whatever
all the many other ways that stem cells,
or any other related and needed body
substances, may be collected from women.
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Compiler wrote:

> About The Use Of Stem Cells / Reincarnation / Ethics
>
> The thoughts that I offer below came to me
> only about a half an hour ago when watching
> TV and the subject of ethics, as usual,
> concerning the use of stem cells to help
> people who are suffering with so many major
> diseases, came up here in the United States.
>
> Even though I leave it to others to maybe
> bring the subject up in different public forums,
> based on my starting-idea suggestions,
> simply to maybe get it all going, by those
> who are maybe capable to do so, as well as
> commenting on it in these theosophical
> forums, as usual, I will not be responding
> to anyone, but will simply read all that is
> said about it.
>
> OK, what popped into my mind was that
> since Reincarnation is believed in by about
> 35 to 40 percent of the American people
> (based on figures I saw some time in the past
> year or two, but which I can't remember where
> or when I read this), which percentage-wise
> means, if these figures are more or less
> true, that many Christians also believe in
> Reincarnation, that it might be worth trying
> to get into the national and international media
> and political dialogue a conversation about
> the following things that also came to my
> mind (just some raw thoughts, just some
> starting ideas, for everyone to expand on
> in the many ways possible):
>
> If Reincarnation is true, or at least believed
> to be true by so many people, this means
> that it would be more ethical to use these
> stem cells to help so many suffering people
> who are already here, than to not use them
> because of the thinking that the use of them
> are destroying lives not yet born. Why?
> Because if Reincarnation is the natural
> process, then no thinking human being,
> life, or soul is destroyed, but they simply
> can't re-enter the scene, if that is in any
> way the dynamic, through the specific
> very tiny body parts that are stem cells that
> may have been associated with their return,
> but will simply get naturally drawn, either
> immediately, and both still by the laws
> of karma, or cause and effect, to another
> mother, or will simply have to wait a little
> while longer to re-enter this plane.
>
> So based on these few ideas, and to me at
> least, since I'm one of the many who believe
> in Reincarnation at this point in my life, it is
> highly, I repeat, highly, unethical to allow any
> of us who are already on the physical plane
> scene to suffer more than necessary by
> refusing to allow both stem cell research,
> and the use of them, to enter the medical
> scene in a 100% way.
>
> That's it. Good, bad, useful, or otherwise, that's
> my little contribution to my fellow theosophists
> to consider in all the theosophical forums that
> I post in. If any of you see something in this,
> as far as it maybe being a major subject to
> skillfully get into the public dialogue, if any of
> you can, grab the ball and run with it. If it's just
> a stupid and unrealistic idea, and not really
> worth putting to constructive use in the stem
> cell battle, as well as bringing one of the
> main theosophical teachings, which is
> Reincarnation, into this particular stem cell
> discussion that grips the nation, so be it.
> I did my best and honestly presented some
> thoughts that came to me out of the blue.
>
> Finally, since this posting is completely
> different than my monthly postings, I won't
> present any particular article, articles, or
> series of articles from my web site in this
> top section, but will simply end the way
> I do in each of my monthly posting with
> everything that is below the double line.
>
> Yours truly in Universal Brotherhood,
>
> John DeSantis
> ==================================
>
> Dear newcomers to Theosophy:
>
> I sincerely do hope that my web site offers
> a well-rounded overall view of Theosophy and
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> Please know that I'm only the compiler of
> all the articles found on my web site; I'm
> not a scholar; and also that I personally
> do not like to take part in conversations,
> even though I do hope that what I present
> from time to time will help a little in
> the discussions being carried on by others.
> So please do not be insulted when I do not
> respond if someone addresses me, or addresses
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>
> John DeSantis
> (Compiler)
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