Theos-Talk Archives (July 2005 Message tt00144)

gosh! i should review my writings, what a bad english!

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" <lalaya7@y...> wrote:
> well konstantin
> we know from the mahatma letters to sinnet that india was passing
> through a 'probation' and the mahatmas have said that it was india's
> last chance... and it seem that india failed also... reaching and
> absurd of the expulsion of HPB from her own society...
> HPB returned to europe to write the secret doctrine and to form a
> inner group
> yeas, besant was in this inner group
> besant and other 11 members! and Alas! ALL the members eventually left
> the society and started to say that they didn't agrree with what
> besant was doing
> so i ask you, why are the pupils of HPB, members of the INNER GROUP
> any worse that besant alone? the were co-workers... besant wasn't
> their leader. they hade the same occult training and should deserve
> the same respect that you all give to besant... so why besant should
> stay as someone better then the 11 togheter? stating their sadness
> about the direction the society was going...
> there was nothing left in India.... the society in india rupted... so
> i don't know what leadbeater was doing there... since the masters were
> trying to creat a last occult effort in the inner group of blavatsky..
> and there we have Mr G.R.S.Mead, private secretary of HPB, who usually
> ansewered her letters, and led the esoteric section, acusing
> leadbeater in the 1906 inquiry... you have Constanse of Watchmeister,
> who left the society and died regreting the way the society turned
> under besant's guidance... you have Mrs Alice Cleather who wrote a
> book on the corruption of the society and the leadbeater problem...
> you have Isabel Cooper-Oakley who also left the society. Keithley also
> left the society, Emily Kilingbury left the society. well i could go
> on with the list, but i think you got my point
> so why the statements of besant should be taken as superior than the
> opinion of all her coleagues who were chosen to be occult trained and
> who all disagread on the terms besant was leading the society? is she
> any better than all the other members of the inner group?
> plus, we have judge's problem, who, as HPB states was a accepted chela
> for more than 30 years standing, while besant was only in probation...
> besant was never chosed by the council to be the president, she 'stole
> the chair'.
> well, and since the masters were mainly with hpb, and we know that the
> chelas on probation failed, and leadbeater was away in india doing we
> don't know what (maybe molesting some pupils)
> i really don't understand why we must put besant and leadbeater in an
> altar and adore them. Many people recieved letters, and no one is
> adoring those people, having recieved a letter doesn't make leadbeater
> better in any way, and specilly doesn't make him superior than HPB (as
> some people here are trying to say)
> while there is an 'adoration' of this to, people who were equal to
> them in terms of occultismo, who knew HPB better then tham, or were
> chelas a longer time than them are being negleted and no one thakes
> their opinion on account...
> so, are you all searching for the truth or just for the most
> confortable way to keep on adoring leadbeatrianism and becoming blind
> from everything this question is surrounded?
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev"
> <kay_ziatz@y...> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Alaya" wrote:
> > 
> > > well, the letter is from 1886, and as we are all well acquainted, 
> > most
> > > chelas failed, only one truly suceeded, and this was Damodar... and
> > > since leadbeater wasn't invited in the late years of HPB for her
> > > last truly occult project, and wasn't even in touch with her any 
> > longer...
> > 
> > If we are to believe that the letters is genuine, it follows from
them 
> > that Leadbeater was needed to Master particulary for work in India
and 
> > Sri Lanka, so he wasn't with HPB in London during her last years. 
> > Besant was, and does it mean a thing? A standard probation is 7
years, 
> > and there are evidences of friendly attitude of HPB to CWL in later 
> > years too. We also know that she broke relations with those who
really 
> > failed.