Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00504)

Frank:
> I understand that Masters are not able to eliminate karma.
> With which right should he then turn away a candidate.

Konstantin:
They laid the rules themselves, or they seem to change the rules.

Frank:
Masters lay no rules. Karma is the highest law in the universe.
Therefore it is not in their power to change "rules", if you mean the occult 
laws.

Konstantin:
The involvement was made in childhood, when a candidate had no power
to decline it. They took him for a probation and after several months
or years said that he doesn't fit because he is married! Haven't they
know it before?

Frank:
No Master can take you for probation.
You can do it only for yourself.
And why should a Master know before that he marries?
Have they not better things to do?
And even if they would look into the probationieers future, it would give 
them no right to break karmic laws and interfere (the First Directive in 
Star Trek TNG).
Masters try to awaken ones own will, not to break it.
You should STUDY (not read) the Mahatma Letters book carefully for a better 
understanding of occult thinking.

When and if KH knew from the beginning taht Sinnett will refuse to support 
the Phoenix project some years later, which was scheduled to save the half 
of mankind from danger of death, should it have given Him the right to 
refuse contact to Sinnett from the beginning? Do you beleive that a Master 
of the white side acts aganist karmic laws and we are only his puppets?
A nightmare tale.

Konstantin:
Yet the Narayan's way of conduct described by HPB shows that he wasn't
well-balanced, and obvoiusly it was the main cause. But was the Master
sincere when he used that formal qualification, which he could use at
the very first day with the same effect?

Frank:
Yes, he was sincere.
Is your mother sincere when she sends you to school with 5 or six“and later 
on it turns out you are to weak for high school?

Konstantin:
Everyone have some faculties and more or lesser extend. He may try to
develop them and then succeed or fail. We cannot know it beforehand,
and Masters too, so the need for probation. But marriage is quite
other thing, it is an obvious fact, and there are formal requirements.

Frank:
I think the probation level is more to help the chela, not the Master.:-)
It is not the Masters failure, when he marriages.

Konstantin:
It is not so bad as it seems. Knowing that all our problems are our
own fault we may easily fall into depression and slow our progress
down. While those who charge other people, think like that: Well, they
hurted me but I'll revenge them! and go on cheerfully.

Frank:
Agreed. That's the reason why we have to drink from the Lethe river when on 
journey to the planets.

Konstantin:
> To fail the initiation deliberate or half-deliberate and miss the
> opportunity to help many people later on in favor to liberate a
> temple slave is idiotic and not wise.

We cannot be sure that it is a school of right-hand at all, if they
use such methods. Maybe it would be more clever to pass all the tests,
and then and destroy the school and disclose all their secrets. :)


Frank:
I can't follow your logic here. What is wrong with "such methods"?
What other option have you to offer to test a candidate in a mystery school?

Konstantin:
> It is the girl's karma that she is there and she has not a bad life.

Then other people whom you propose to help later also have their own
karma. Why should we help them?

Frank:
Karma is not karma. Although karma is one (karman), there is also personal 
karma, family karma, national karma etc.
True, that also all the other people outside the temple have their own 
karma, but an Initiate who follows the Bodhisattva path of compassion will 
and cannot eliminate the personal karma. That can only Esotericists on 
Esoteric exhibitions with an astral rubber for $100 for each erasing.
The Bodhisattva helps to merily to bring back in harmony the karmic lawa and 
soften the consequences. There are also cases of unjust karma. The temple 
girl slave works out her own karma, because no one ever forced here to make 
an occult trial. It was her concious will and she only reaps what she has 
sown before.
Another case may be if a war breaks out. Not everyone who is attached to it, 
may be directly and conciously responsible for it 8at least in this life), 
but has nevertheless to suffer.

But as Karma is the highest law and we mortal human beings have no overview 
about the karmic operations and can only - if any - recognize its effects, 
it needs the spirit of a Master to master it.
With brain-minded clever conclusions (I speak generally, not to you 
personally) one cannot grasp it.
It is as Goethe would have tried to teach his trusty dog the Faust.