Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00058)

Dear Ian,

There is no crisis in Europe. Well it depends from the point of 
view. East Europe is now for long into deep economical crisis. Now 
as we are talking about the EU you say there is no crisis even after 
the "NO" of Netherlands.

"The No from France is likely to plunge the EU into an unprecedented 
crisis.... But whatever the mixture of reasons, the French "No" 
means that, for the first time, a large founder member has directly 
opposed the current process of European integration. 
Before now, no EU treaty signed by all member governments has been 
left unratified - another first that is now on the cards. 
But the French "No" also means that one of the fundamental aims of 
the new EU constitution has failed: bringing the EU closer to its 
publics." By Kirsty Hughes Writer on European and international 
affairs 

"Holland on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly against ratifying the 
European constitution. Coming just three days after France's 
rejection, the vote has plunged the EU into an identity crisis. The 
time may finally have come to define what exactly the European Union 
actually is.
The Euro-analysts are hard at work. Spin-doctors are putting in 
overtime. Newspaper commentators are laying in extra supplies of 
ink. Everyone, in short, who has something to say about the deep 
crisis facing the European Union following the rejection of the EU 
constitution in referenda held in France on Sunday and in Holland on 
Wednesday are rushing to write prescriptions as they probe the 
ailing club. Yet nobody really has any clue what to do next." By 
Charles Hawley 

But there is no crisis as you say Ian. I did not say people are 
against Europe, this would be non-sense. Well about the series of 
meetings and if they can't solve the problem another series of 
meetings, that is what most probably what will happen, meanwhile the 
Euro will fall and the problems existents you also mentioned in your 
post are going to get a bit worst. 

Erica



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Iain" <ibse03888@b...> wrote:
> Dear Erica,
> Sorry, but there is no crisis in Europe. Yes 
there are a 
> few problems,If you look back to my Email to Cass the other day , 
I think I 
> have explained that the problem is that the politicians who are 
riding the 
> gravy train have hit the buffers, the people have flexed their 
muscles and 
> said we are not going to let politicians tell us what is good for 
us.The 
> vast majority of Europeans want to keep their own identities, 
parliments and 
> regional variations, we want a loose confederation of countries 
all working 
> and co-operating together. Greece has had it hard with the 
economy, but so 
> has many other EU member states. We in the UK saw what was going 
to happen 
> with the single currency, so we opted out, that is why the Pound 
is strong 
> against the US Dollar and the Euro.Germany,s economy was damaged 
with the 
> unification of East and West, the afflunt West Germany suddenly 
had to deal 
> with the rebuilding and development of East germany, but on top of 
that the 
> change from the mark to the Euro, made their economy unstable, 
buisnesses 
> had to cut back causing high unemployment then, with migrant 
workers from 
> the former Warsaw Pact countries has caused resentment as the 
indiginous 
> people now have to compete harder for jobs for lesser wages.
> The Constitutional vote has been the only weapon that the 
people have 
> to make the politicians to stop,think and revalue their stratagy. 
I do not 
> think that the people are against Europe, I beleive this is a 
benefit to 
> all, there are things that are not right and have to be fixed and 
sorted. 
> The EU will continue as it has been for years, it is now that 
those that are 
> making large amounts of money from the EU, wether it has been by 
subsidy, 
> back slapping, or down right fraud, has to be stopped before the 
EU will 
> work properly. THose profesional polititians who flit between, 
Brussels,and 
> Strasburg and where-ever with there free travel, free meals and 
subsistance 
> allowance that is second to none. Their answer is simple , just 
have another 
> series of meetings, and if we cannot solve the problem, then just 
have 
> another series of meetings.
> cheers Iain
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution
> 
> 
> > Well lets wish the best solution will be found to pass through 
this
> > crisis without major problems and conflicts. Germany has risen 
from
> > ashes and maybe such problem will be easy for them to deal with 
if
> > they decide to leave the EU. But I am afraid it will be no so 
easy
> > for Greece to deal with.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> > <ringding@o...> wrote:
> >> Erica, you misunderstand me if you think I write
> >> about political views.
> >> I write about mundane dangers from a theosophical
> >> view, which deals rather with principles and truth
> >> than with ideologies.
> >> When HPB warned the world about the conspiracy of
> >> the commune and that socialism and communism will
> >> lead to a bloodshed for millions she had no
> >> political agenda at all.
> >> Her business was compassion and brotherhood. The
> >> 20th Century justified her.
> >>
> >> The same can be said from HPB's esoteric
> >> successor, Katherine Tingley:. and her certain
> >> clear and in the aftermath justified warnings and
> >> protest concernings serveral incidents which
> >> opened the Pandora's box:
> >> 1913 against FED-coup; honored Senator Lindbergh
> >> who opposed FED
> >> 1916 against US war with innocent Germany
> >> 1917 against Balfour declaration
> >> 1918 against Wilson's break of his 14 points for
> >> Germany, intrigued by Samule Untermeyer
> >> 1919 against Versailles "treaty" with the "desk of
> >> the unknown ones", warnings to FM
> >> 1922-26 her propaganda tours throu Germany against
> >> the foreign rule and stealing Germany's colonies
> >>
> >> to name but a few conspiracies of the brothers of
> >> the shadow against humanity.
> >> KT had like HPB no political agenda. Her business
> >> was also compassion and brotherhood.
> >>
> >> The Euro has no future as also the EC monster,
> >> which is rather an Adyar-like parody of what HPB
> >> understood by brotherhood.
> >> The "elite" (if there is any after the
> >> "liberation") in Germany discourses now publicly
> >> the return to the Mark.
> >> The EC is the continued Allied war against Germany
> >> with economial means.
> >> When Germany will soon shake off the
> >> Jewish-Freemasonry foreign rule (she has proofed
> >> it in the past several times that she is able to
> >> make such a wonder happen) a new and true German
> >> government (not a puppet regime we have now as
> >> also in Iraq and Afghanistan), Germany will end
> >> the biological, ecological, economical, military
> >> and national soul atroticies against her and leave
> >> the EC.
> >> That will be the end for that satanic monster as
> >> Germany has paid more than $300 Billon for it
> >> (extorted protection money) for the luck of its
> >> bitter enemies.
> >> Without the milk cow Germany there will be no EC
> >> and no NATO.
> >>
> >> From that point of view your statement looks a
> >> little bit silly as with the EC and NATO councils
> >> in Brussels the high degrees of the East coast
> >> control Europe.
> >> Only without Euro, EC and NATO Europe will be free
> >> again.
> >>
> >> More and more people awake from 60-years hypnosis
> >> the "independent" mass media forced upon the
> >> innocent peoples.
> >> I'll keep the fingers crossed that the Communists
> >> will receive many more NO votes and the planned
> >> Super-GDR with complete Stasi-control plus Western
> >> Computer technology will not happen.
> >> Otherwise we will be over the point of no return
> >> and kali yuga will come.
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@y...>
> >> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:12 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> >> constitution
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Frank,
> >>
> >> As it seems we do not share the same political
> >> views so would be
> >> pointless to discuss about it. :) If a domino
> >> effect really takes
> >> place Europe is going to pass through a crisis,
> >> one more between so
> >> many in its history. They rush into changing the
> >> coin into Euro, of
> >> course the Euro also will fall eventually (if the
> >> NO goes on)
> >> affecting the economy in Europe. And that will be
> >> for the happiness
> >> of USA economy which was challenged with the Euro.
> >> Bush must be
> >> laughing of happiness right now.
> >>
> >> Erica
> >>
> >> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank
> >> Reitemeyer"
> >> <ringding@o...> wrote:
> >> > Erica (I like your German first name), and The
> >> > Netherlands says also NO.
> >> > The German people would have also liked to say
> >> > NO,
> >> > but "our" "agents" did not ask us, the
> >> > "sovereign".
> >> > Thank you to the French and the Deutch!
> >> > You have saved Germany, too.
> >> >
> >> > The freemasonic bolshevistic counsil system in
> >> > Brussels is balked.
> >> >
> >> > In the USA they had more success right now.
> >> > Markus
> >> > Wolff, ex Jewish boss of the GDR sadistic and
> >> > satanistic Stasi secret service is since Jan. 01
> >> > consulter of the Department for Homeland
> >> > Security,
> >> > which is an imitation of the monster Stasi.
> >> >
> >> > The US gojim do not read about what REALLY
> >> > happens, as they control over 80% of the press,
> >> > as
> >> > Kennedy just a few weeks ago in Germany.
> >> > Frank
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@y...>
> >> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:28 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> >> > constitution
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > France says 'no' to EU constitution, plunging
> >> > Europe into crisis
> >> >
> >> > PARIS (AFP) - French voters massively rejected
> >> > the
> >> > EU's first ever
> >> > constitution, dealing a rude slap in the face to
> >> > their governing elite
> >> > and a potentially fatal setback to the
> >> > continent's
> >> > ambitious plans for
> >> > deeper political union.
> >> >
> >> > European leaders fear the French "no" could have
> >> > a
> >> > domino effect in
> >> > other countries planning to hold referendums --
> >> > first of all the
> >> > Netherlands which has a non-binding national
> >> > vote
> >> > on Wednesday.
> >> > Britain has hinted it might scrap a planned
> >> > referendum if France voted
> >> > down the constitution.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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