Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00039)

Erica,
thanks for your reply.

Well, HPB was also against dead-letter 
interpretations.
I am aware of this text, but I can't find a proof 
in it that speaks against KT.
It seems HPB had reason to take care that after 
her departure there will not be a misuse from 
mediums with her name and wrong messages from her 
in the public.
Both Judge and KT never made their messages from 
dead Blavatsky public. It was used only as reward 
for the true lay chelas.

On the contrary, I allege that your quote is not 
only NOT a proof for your opinion, but that it is 
a proof for my opinion.
HPB here warns the trance mediums - and that 
includes that such communication is possible, but 
not desired because of lack of fidelity of most of 
the mediums.
That's why HPB in London in her last days was so 
nervous whether Judge will be able to find "her", 
so that she can leave her dead body and keep the 
link unbroken.

Another example:
Years ago theosophists protested against me when I 
said that the Book of Dzyan and the VOS are Tantra 
texts.
They also showed me a text where HPB says that she 
opposes tantra.
Can you follow me?
I want you to say that tantra means not only 
tantra.
Likewise I believe that trance medium and trance 
medium is not the same.
The Tibetan state oracle is a proof of this.

Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Trance Mediums, William 
Q. Judge & Katherine Tingley



"While it is yet time, both the founders of the 
Theosophical Society place upon record their 
solemn promise that they will let trance mediums 
severely alone after they get to "the other side." 
If after this, any of the talking fraternity take 
their names in vain, they hope that at least their 
theosophical confrères will unearth this paragraph 
and warn the trespassers off their astral 
premises."



Blavatsky C.W . Under the Shadow of Great Names



Erica


Frank Reitemeyer <ringding@online.de> 
wrote:Daniel, I have no time these weeks, but was 
just
lurking and finding your comment.

Bruce's article about KT as a "medium" was the
first article from him and in Fohat about which I
went angry.
But self-evedently one cannot expect to agree with
all articles...

I do not believe that KT was a medium in the
spiritistic sense of the word.
Perhaps Hargrove did not understand the higher
occult training she underwent.

Take f.e. the states oracle of the Dalai Lama. He
has the highest respect for him and followed the
oracle's decision in 1959 to flee.
In his autobiography he decribes that the orcale
get's in trance and is not conscious then.

And as HPB is quoted as proof against KT:
I did not find in HPB's words a single sentence
which would proof KT wrong.
All I find in HPB is that she is against
contacting the lower selfs of deads on their way
to kama loka.
But neither Judge nor KT ever claimed to have been
contacted the lower self of HPB.

Best
Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell"

To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:23 AM
Subject: Theos-World Trance Mediums, William Q.
Judge & Katherine Tingley




In the latest issue of FOHAT, there
is an article titled
"Trance Mediums and William Q. Judge"
by Robert Bruce MacDonald (Spring 2005,
pp. 7-10, 20-22)

It will be interesting to see if
other Theosophical students respond to
some of the assertions made in this
article.

I'm wondering if Jerry Hejka-Ekins & W.Dallas
TenBroeck will respond to this article either
in letters to the Editor or in postings here
at Theos-Talk.

Some of the speculations in this article
strike me as of the same character as much
of the speculation in K. Paul Johnson's
three books on Blavatsky and the Masters.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc








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