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Re: Theos-World The drama triangle: persecutor/victim/rescuer (reply to Morten)

May 19, 2005 10:09 AM
by M. Sufilight


Hallo Paul and all,

Yes...Interesting link you have there.
And I agree a whole lot with you.

Your email about - rescue and all - somehow reminded me of the following joke

NASRUDIN AND THE CALL FROM UPSTAIRS
Mulla Nasrudin's wife was sitting down to breakfast one morning when she read an announcement of her own death in the newspaper. She quickly called Mulla Nasrudin who was outside the town and said: "Have you read the morning paper, Mulla? And, did you see the announcement of my death?" "YES," said Nasrudin. "WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM?"


Well Paul...
It is of course not so, that I am your wife and I am eating my breakfast...but I think you get the idea...

Actually I am still laughing a lot.
:-) - - - Smile




from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: Theos-World The drama triangle: persecutor/victim/rescuer (reply to Morten)


Dear Morten and all,

The article (written by Shah?) you posted about people's drives
toward confrontation and support reminds me of the notion of the
drama triangle which is discussed here:

http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/games/drama_triangle.
htm
(sorry about the broken link)

By introducing a third element into the equation, this model helps
us understand the very unstable equilibrium between persecutor,
victim, and rescuer. The drama triangle is like a vortex that sucks
us in without our knowing how or why. Online interaction magnifies
opportunities to get sucked into the triangle. For me the greatest
sense of vertigo is in the rescuer role; I've jumped into other
peoples' dramas many times without a moment's reflection. Of
course, one can soon become a victim in this situation-- e.g.
jumping in to defend victims of Baha'i persecution leads to one
being targeted for attack oneself. The victim role is somewhat
easier to be conscious of because it is so uncomfortable. You'd
have to be a masochist to enjoy victimization, or a sadist to enjoy
persecution, but we almost all enjoy feeling like rescuers.

The problem lies, of course, in the unstable equilibrium and the way
roles shift. For example, those who hate Tillett's book and
denounce him (which I see as persecution of a scholar by religious
maniacs) perceive themselves as rescuers of poor innocent CWL.
(There are parallels to this.) But if they victimize someone, they
are persecutors even if they imagine themselves to be rescuers. And
so on...

Many ongoing dramas in theos-talk can be better understood in light
of this model. Who is the persecutor, victim, rescuer in this
particular drama? How does their performance in this role drag
others into complementary roles? How do the roles shift?

Cheers,

Paul





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